This is an edit of a previous comment I made on a similar discussion:
The Chapos and much of this site unfortunately, hold an “armchair leftist” view on the world, with it a dooomer outlook that worships the golden calf of electoralism while at the same time knowing medicare for all will never pass in congress. People like this don’t care about politics outside of the US national level, let alone international, and act patronizingly toward actual working class people and look at true proletarian uprisings such as BLM with contempt. They don't look into or even care about local organizing, and if they do think that entryist orgs like DSA represent some sort of stopgap or means of harm reduction.
I still have a hard time understanding how people who put all this energy into Bernie's campaign only to have him betray us twice, and still think that if we get 200 socdems in the lower house, we can pass a green new deal. Fun fact: Last year AOC voted yes on a "green energy pact" with the EU ensuring a stable transition to a "natural gas future" away from oil. They didn't even need her vote. Something that's made me sad about this community since it's moved to the lemmy is the constant focus on electoral politics, joe biden and all that nonsense. Sure it's always been a chapo thing, but the subreddit after BLM hit was a lot more into reporting actual politics happening on the ground rather than liberal political theatre.
There’s a problem with idealism in the western leftist community, many former liberals or bernie fans see the current system as something that can be reformed, and that current movements to abolish or resist the US neoliberal order should be critiqued as to fit each their, and only their individual western perspective on politics. I don’t know, although there are some good rich leftists like Engels, I can’t see myself trusting a ragtag gang of millionaires’ views on US politics when time, and time again, they’ve been invalidated by real world events. The podcast is shit, and I’m glad the community doesn’t like it much anymore. I just hope we can all get away from this liberal idealism and actually get some praxis done
500 posters and a couple thousand lurkers is my observation anyway. I lurked on reddit long before making an account and similarly lurked a lot on chapo before ever commenting and even longer before posting.
People like this don’t care about politics outside of the US national level, let alone international, and act patronizingly toward actual working class people and look at true proletarian uprisings such as BLM with contempt. They don’t look into or even care about local organizing..
I found the opposite of this to be true, they generally follow up on leftist projects in Latin America, Europe, Asia and Middle East. They constantly discuss US imperialism and its consequences. Where very supportive of BLM and described the riots as inevitable consequences of domestic policy. Both Matt and Amber discuss the need for organizing regularly (Seems to be a main theme of Matt's vlogs now that he's given up on electoralism), and believe Amber has mentioned she is active in local orgs. Also I have yet to hear a single episode where they are patronizing towards working people.
She literally called BLM protesters "minoritarians" that's a word laced with contempt, she made it clear what her feelings are on this subject, and as far as being "active in local orgs" I wouldn't be surprised if her version of that amounts to networking with rich millennial coke heads in the upper west side
The Matt Taibi ep had some incredibly shit takes from Matt and Amber on BLM and the current protests. Amber definitely understands the importance of local organizing, but, and I hate to use this term, seems like a class reductionist and I kinda am getting the feeling that a lot of Matt's contribution to the conversation is just mapping shit he's read onto whatever the opinions of the shows guests or other hosts are rather than actually having his own original takes.
Ugh fuck Taibbi has always had some shit following him, he and Mark Ames had this frat boy socialist thing going on in Russia for awhile and the stink of sexual harassment and misogyny has always followed them. So of course Amber's best friends with that shit.
This is an edit of a previous comment I made on a similar discussion:
The Chapos and much of this site unfortunately, hold an “armchair leftist” view on the world, with it a dooomer outlook that worships the golden calf of electoralism while at the same time knowing medicare for all will never pass in congress. People like this don’t care about politics outside of the US national level, let alone international, and act patronizingly toward actual working class people and look at true proletarian uprisings such as BLM with contempt. They don't look into or even care about local organizing, and if they do think that entryist orgs like DSA represent some sort of stopgap or means of harm reduction.
I still have a hard time understanding how people who put all this energy into Bernie's campaign only to have him betray us twice, and still think that if we get 200 socdems in the lower house, we can pass a green new deal. Fun fact: Last year AOC voted yes on a "green energy pact" with the EU ensuring a stable transition to a "natural gas future" away from oil. They didn't even need her vote. Something that's made me sad about this community since it's moved to the lemmy is the constant focus on electoral politics, joe biden and all that nonsense. Sure it's always been a chapo thing, but the subreddit after BLM hit was a lot more into reporting actual politics happening on the ground rather than liberal political theatre.
There’s a problem with idealism in the western leftist community, many former liberals or bernie fans see the current system as something that can be reformed, and that current movements to abolish or resist the US neoliberal order should be critiqued as to fit each their, and only their individual western perspective on politics. I don’t know, although there are some good rich leftists like Engels, I can’t see myself trusting a ragtag gang of millionaires’ views on US politics when time, and time again, they’ve been invalidated by real world events. The podcast is shit, and I’m glad the community doesn’t like it much anymore. I just hope we can all get away from this liberal idealism and actually get some praxis done
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I think once we get c/electoralism to force a lot of the threads in there that c/main can embrace real politics
Uh, no, it will just become memes and shitposts.
Forcing topics into subcommunities people aren't subscribed to will kill them, identically to how megathreads on Reddit do it.
c/main is the site, there is almost no eyes on sub communities because this site is like 500 people.
I'm getting plenty of eyes on my Vaush post in c/the_dunk_tank right now
500 posters and a couple thousand lurkers is my observation anyway. I lurked on reddit long before making an account and similarly lurked a lot on chapo before ever commenting and even longer before posting.
I found the opposite of this to be true, they generally follow up on leftist projects in Latin America, Europe, Asia and Middle East. They constantly discuss US imperialism and its consequences. Where very supportive of BLM and described the riots as inevitable consequences of domestic policy. Both Matt and Amber discuss the need for organizing regularly (Seems to be a main theme of Matt's vlogs now that he's given up on electoralism), and believe Amber has mentioned she is active in local orgs. Also I have yet to hear a single episode where they are patronizing towards working people.
Where are you getting all this?
That said, agree with the rest of the comment.
She literally called BLM protesters "minoritarians" that's a word laced with contempt, she made it clear what her feelings are on this subject, and as far as being "active in local orgs" I wouldn't be surprised if her version of that amounts to networking with rich millennial coke heads in the upper west side
The Matt Taibi ep had some incredibly shit takes from Matt and Amber on BLM and the current protests. Amber definitely understands the importance of local organizing, but, and I hate to use this term, seems like a class reductionist and I kinda am getting the feeling that a lot of Matt's contribution to the conversation is just mapping shit he's read onto whatever the opinions of the shows guests or other hosts are rather than actually having his own original takes.
Ugh fuck Taibbi has always had some shit following him, he and Mark Ames had this frat boy socialist thing going on in Russia for awhile and the stink of sexual harassment and misogyny has always followed them. So of course Amber's best friends with that shit.
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