Accelerationism doesn't work. It just leads to more suffering. Nonetheless, Biden is the accelerationist option since his neocon advisors and supporters are trying to start a hot war with VZ/Iran, a warm war with Russia and a more intensified cold war with China.

This is an edit of a previous comment I made on a similar discussion:

The Chapos and much of this site unfortunately, hold an “armchair leftist” view on the world, with it a dooomer outlook that worships the golden calf of electoralism while at the same time knowing medicare for all will never pass in congress. People like this don’t care about politics outside of the US national level, let alone international, and act patronizingly toward actual working class people and look at true proletarian uprisings such as BLM with contempt. They don't look into or even care about local organizing, and if they do think that entryist orgs like DSA represent some sort of stopgap or means of harm reduction.

I still have a hard time understanding how people who put all this energy into Bernie's campaign only to have him betray us twice, and still think that if we get 200 socdems in the lower house, we can pass a green new deal. Fun fact: Last year AOC voted yes on a "green energy pact" with the EU ensuring a stable transition to a "natural gas future" away from oil. They didn't even need her vote. Something that's made me sad about this community since it's moved to the lemmy is the constant focus on electoral politics, joe biden and all that nonsense. Sure it's always been a chapo thing, but the subreddit after BLM hit was a lot more into reporting actual politics happening on the ground rather than liberal political theatre.

There’s a problem with idealism in the western leftist community, many former liberals or bernie fans see the current system as something that can be reformed, and that current movements to abolish or resist the US neoliberal order should be critiqued as to fit each their, and only their individual western perspective on politics. I don’t know, although there are some good rich leftists like Engels, I can’t see myself trusting a ragtag gang of millionaires’ views on US politics when time, and time again, they’ve been invalidated by real world events. The podcast is shit, and I’m glad the community doesn’t like it much anymore. I just hope we can all get away from this liberal idealism and actually get some praxis done

While I understand where you're coming from, I think there's a disjunct from what Amber was saying about what she perceives as the spontaneity of uprisings with what she's trying to say about material politics. It's not that the working classes who are in revolt are thoughtless, that's far from it. What's important is to look at the grand scheme of things, like the economics, evictions, police brutality, angst from lockdown/covid, unemployment, "essential" labor, breakdown in the healthcare, etc. These are all material factors that coalesce together to cause mass civil unrest. It is like a chemical reaction in some senses, add all these factors together and it causes people to be more class conscious due to their decline in material conditions (poverty, loss of housing, etc.) and engage in real politics in the streets. Amber, like all of the Chapos and much of this site unfortunately, hold an "armchair leftist" view on the world, with it a dooomer outlook that worships the golden calf of electoralism while at the same time knowing medicare for all will never pass in congress. People like this don't care about politics outside of the US national level, let alone international, and act patronizingly toward actual working class people and look at true proletarian uprisings such as BLM with contempt.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's a problem with idealism in the western leftist community, many former liberals or bernie fans see the current system as something to be reformed, and that current movements to abolish or resist the US neoliberal order should be critiqued as to fit YOUR individual perspective on the world. I don't know, although there are some good rich leftists like Engels, I can't see myself trusting a ragtag gang of millionaires' views on US politics when time, and time again, they've been invalidated by real world events. The podcast is shit, and I'm glad the community doesn't like it much anymore

Go after conservative or apolitical friends, trust me, they'll be easier to radicalize. For them, you explain theory in non-Marxist terms. In terms of libs, that's a tricky one since you got to get them out of the mindset of idealism and belief in the system. That part is hard lol

New Davenport and North Truckingham

The funny thing is that rebr0 actually banned Joshua 4 Collins after he kept posting his own tweets to the sub and people kept telling him to focus more on convincing local voters instead of internet dweebs with parents' money lying around. Nonetheless, it ended up being a means for Collins and his friends to find work in the "gig economy" and I'm not too mad at him grifting dumb kids that gave money Amber to buy coke of whatever those Brooklyn entertainers do in their free time

The subreddit, they're all deleted now. Most people on this site are from the banned subreddit, of which whom ~50% of that audience wanted to have sex with Mr. 4 Collins

Joshus 4 Collins was the best tiktooker and Chapo Fap House supports all electoralist movements as a means of making ourselves feel better about doing no irl praxis and funneling doomer beliefs on society into the glimmer of hope that electoral politics presents. You Chapos have worshipped the Golden Calf of AOC, and are guilty of idealism and veneration of false consciousness

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

Damn, targeting new people who actually like posting memes that are well-liked. This sort of paranoia is exactly what's driving people away, and you're directly working to poison this place whether you're aware of it or not

I'd refrain from mentioning them. Those fuckers are like voldemort

no

This is what I get for posting on ChapoTrapHouse... You absolute fucking moron. You didnt read my last message at all did you? You just casually go back r/neoliberal and hangout with them like theyre youre buddies. Knowing full well that if things go their way literally everyone is doomed to extinction. You dont give a shit about social democracy. You dont give a shit about other people. Hell, you dont even give a shit about improving your own life. You say you want to be pragmatic and "learn from all sides" yet you're too lazy to even pick up a book to learn your history, to further understand this world or your view on it. You dont view politics as a struggle between multiple ideologies vying for power to push their agenda, you just view it as a game. A topic you can discuss casually with friends or something you play around in your head when you're bored or when youre taking a shit. When you're hanging out in r/neoliberal, youre not trying to "understand" multiple views, youre trying to meme with them, exchanging jokes with these ghouls who are opposed to virtually everything you supposedly stand for. You're just a loser trying to fit in with a social clique. its all a fucking game to you I regret trying to inform your fucking tiny, willfully ignorant pathetic little brain.

This. Every PoC anarchist I've met has been based. It's the white radlibs that ruin everything

Nah fuck Destiny, like Vaush he's one of those greasy crypto-fascists who looks like he rolls around in smegma or cheeto dust

Disney, having their corporate tentacles everywhere, conspires to cancel the election after economic indicators in the lead up to the election show a recession is developing. A bipartisan amendment is passed giving the leader of Disney all power, because of course a corporation can be relied on to be a modern-day Cincinnatus. The masses fill with despair, as the leader of Disney is set to make a first public announcement... but then Bernie Sanders walks up to the podium wearing one of those Mickey mouse hats and starts to speak. It turns out that Bernie Sanders engaged in covert operations to seize control of Disney from the inside. Yes, Bernie Sanders did a Blanquism, and managed to install himself as the leader of Disney behind the scenes. The masses cheer, we are liberated! Within weeks, Disney is broken up and nationalized, and the good comrade establishes socialism

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hmmm, did u actually post that? An Authoritarian 100, the state fights al-quaeda so that's fascism, all hierarchies bad? Horizontal structure, red fash, all states are bad, soviet bootlicker, tankielarper, Republican Spain? HongKong good, China bad cuz that's what Anarchists do to earn respect from radlibs? Take over a city but just throw a block party and not form a workers state? DID YOU ACTUALLY POST THAT SHIT?!? DID YA?! DID YOU ACTUALLY POST THAT SHIT?!? YOU MOTHERFUCKER YOU SON OF A BITCH HAHAHAHAHAH OHOHOHAHAAHA THIS IS AN ANARCHIST MOMENT THIS IS A FUCKING ANARCHIST MOMENT OH GOD

Jon Arbuckle is the anthropomorphized manifestation of the cognitive dissonance of the American right wing. Forever self-pitying, always complaining about the problem plain as day before him but forever enabling a slow and perpetual decay. Ever wonder what happened to Lyman? Lyman was the conscience, and Odie the burden of the conscience. The conscience disappeared without any explanation. Just... gone, one day, never to be mentioned again. Liz, the object of Jon's lust, remained enshrined in the obsessive mind of Jon, and Jon only became more and more obsessed. AOC's feet. By maintaining the illusion of the very serious intent to create meaningful content, every day became the satire of the day before. The mondays became more repetitive, the lack of soul behind the eyes more vacant. Where does Garfield end and where does Ben Shapiro begin? Ben Shapiro is the void between meaning and satire. He is Garfield. That strip of colorful panels, that noise on a screen that continues... continues... continues... without saying a damned thing. Lasagna. Mondays. Liberals. Facts. Feelings. Hollow, empty void emulating human behavior. Perpetually. An obese orange cat, a squinty-eyed smirky manboy patting himself on the back, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing with reassuring sarcasm and repetitive catchphrases. Mondays don't care about your lasagnas. Character as deep as the newspaper it's printed on.

Point still stands