Sorry I meant to say POPULAR opinion, please post things that are cool and good here
This is an edit of a previous comment I made on a similar discussion:
The Chapos and much of this site unfortunately, hold an “armchair leftist” view on the world, with it a dooomer outlook that worships the golden calf of electoralism while at the same time knowing medicare for all will never pass in congress. People like this don’t care about politics outside of the US national level, let alone international, and act patronizingly toward actual working class people and look at true proletarian uprisings such as BLM with contempt. They don't look into or even care about local organizing, and if they do think that entryist orgs like DSA represent some sort of stopgap or means of harm reduction.
I still have a hard time understanding how people who put all this energy into Bernie's campaign only to have him betray us twice, and still think that if we get 200 socdems in the lower house, we can pass a green new deal. Fun fact: Last year AOC voted yes on a "green energy pact" with the EU ensuring a stable transition to a "natural gas future" away from oil. They didn't even need her vote. Something that's made me sad about this community since it's moved to the lemmy is the constant focus on electoral politics, joe biden and all that nonsense. Sure it's always been a chapo thing, but the subreddit after BLM hit was a lot more into reporting actual politics happening on the ground rather than liberal political theatre.
There’s a problem with idealism in the western leftist community, many former liberals or bernie fans see the current system as something that can be reformed, and that current movements to abolish or resist the US neoliberal order should be critiqued as to fit each their, and only their individual western perspective on politics. I don’t know, although there are some good rich leftists like Engels, I can’t see myself trusting a ragtag gang of millionaires’ views on US politics when time, and time again, they’ve been invalidated by real world events. The podcast is shit, and I’m glad the community doesn’t like it much anymore. I just hope we can all get away from this liberal idealism and actually get some praxis done
I think once we get c/electoralism to force a lot of the threads in there that c/main can embrace real politics
Uh, no, it will just become memes and shitposts.
Forcing topics into subcommunities people aren't subscribed to will kill them, identically to how megathreads on Reddit do it.
c/main is the site, there is almost no eyes on sub communities because this site is like 500 people.
I'm getting plenty of eyes on my Vaush post in c/the_dunk_tank right now
500 posters and a couple thousand lurkers is my observation anyway. I lurked on reddit long before making an account and similarly lurked a lot on chapo before ever commenting and even longer before posting.
People like this don’t care about politics outside of the US national level, let alone international, and act patronizingly toward actual working class people and look at true proletarian uprisings such as BLM with contempt. They don’t look into or even care about local organizing..
I found the opposite of this to be true, they generally follow up on leftist projects in Latin America, Europe, Asia and Middle East. They constantly discuss US imperialism and its consequences. Where very supportive of BLM and described the riots as inevitable consequences of domestic policy. Both Matt and Amber discuss the need for organizing regularly (Seems to be a main theme of Matt's vlogs now that he's given up on electoralism), and believe Amber has mentioned she is active in local orgs. Also I have yet to hear a single episode where they are patronizing towards working people.
Where are you getting all this?
That said, agree with the rest of the comment.
She literally called BLM protesters "minoritarians" that's a word laced with contempt, she made it clear what her feelings are on this subject, and as far as being "active in local orgs" I wouldn't be surprised if her version of that amounts to networking with rich millennial coke heads in the upper west side
The Matt Taibi ep had some incredibly shit takes from Matt and Amber on BLM and the current protests. Amber definitely understands the importance of local organizing, but, and I hate to use this term, seems like a class reductionist and I kinda am getting the feeling that a lot of Matt's contribution to the conversation is just mapping shit he's read onto whatever the opinions of the shows guests or other hosts are rather than actually having his own original takes.
Ugh fuck Taibbi has always had some shit following him, he and Mark Ames had this frat boy socialist thing going on in Russia for awhile and the stink of sexual harassment and misogyny has always followed them. So of course Amber's best friends with that shit.
Matt is actually very dumb, but extremely well read. Will is just left leaning Joe Rogan. Amber would probably be a lot less insufferable if she stopped trying to be funny. Felix and Virgil are both pretty smart and funny and they should go back to making the Carl Diggler column and podcast cause that shit ruled.
Matt is actually very dumb
Your post might be in some way interesting if you mentioned who you think is smart
A bad take or five doesn't make an individual stupid, esp when they are spewing takes out constantly
I think Virgil and Felix are both smarter than Matt and come up with more of their own original opinions even though they're not especially well read. Matt's opinion is just whatever he read in a book, and he's not great at integrating it with other knowledge and opinions to form his own, at least that's the impression I get from watching some of his cushvlogs or that godawful matt taibi episode.
He definitely reads more than anyone else on the show except for Will who is coincidentally also kind of a dumb dumb. Maybe books do rot your brain.
Matt’s opinion is just whatever he read in a book
Matt barely reads
Synthesis: Matt has no opinions* and has thus attained true emptiness
Now I want to know if F or V have freestyled solo in a similar format. Matt's structural and social analysis sustains me and I enjoy similar scope remarks from them as well. Too much of their shit is dirtbag yuks
*no political opinions, I don't find I need his free floating cultural nattering when it's politically unlinked
Amber would probably be a lot less insufferable if she stopped trying to be funny.
Her recent anti-Semitic joke went over like a lead balloon.
Carl Diggler was one of the most unfunny things I've ever seen though, I hate to say.
I like the podcast, and I think thats okay. It's okay to not like it, too.
The show is good but it's also introduced me to a ton of other podcasts that are even better; Rev Left Radio, TrueAnon, Blowback, QAnon Anonymous, Pod Damn America, Citations Needed, The Antifada, Matt's Livestreams (those are podcasts since I turn the video off). The episode of Chapo where they recount their visit to CPAC is really fun and I think even people who aren't into the podcast would enjoy that episode.
Absolutely. I wouldn't have the gestalt about how all political commentators, especially conservative columnists, are absolute psychopaths without having listened to all those episodes
Fuck Red Scare and fuck Twink Revolution for having Anna Khachiyan on and fanboying over her transphobic ass.
i was unaware, thanks for letting me know. will avoid the two then. any other pod recommendations other than @lakeradio's?
edit: hurts to see virgil, matt and contrapoints following khachiyan on twitter
Natalie is fucking addicted to chilling with TERF-adjacent chuds. I know she wants to help them but goddamn girl.
Edit: also the Dollop is good as hell.
I like the podcast, and I think thats okay. It’s okay to not like it, too.
Begrudging agreement.
my favourite piece of media involving the hosts in recent memory were when virgil (eating audibly during interview) and matt went on that old media guys podcast and said iran should get a nuke as soon as possible
shit was absolutely hilarious
Matt is the best one. I'll always love our large adult son/mad prophet
Matt is great and I love listening to him but I wish his content was more structured and condensed. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to watch him talk into a camera for an hour every few days even though I want to.
https://anchor.fm/s/19346b24/podcast/rss this is the podcast version
If I wanted to listen to the ramblings of a madman i'd just go read time cube again
their more in depth politics are questionable but i enjoy the bits and humor for the most part. it's great for when i'm getting bored of citations needed's hyper-analytical approach while still wanting some leftist content. the episode with the lady snorting cum is still funny as fuck to me. maybe i'm counter-revolutionary for liking it but fuck it.
That one had me crying. Here's the clip:
https://youtu.be/9_qKJW10nuk
Yeah, Matt and Virgil are the only ones with good takes. I hate how Will is kind of like the show leader because he’s the worst
Virgil sucks and running to hide after Bernie lost and people were looking to him for reassurance sucks
Sure for a normal person, but he opted in to having people listen to him, a lot of vulnerable people who really cared about a movement and looked to him as a minor leader of the left.
Joke about it but that's truth and running away for months when people wanted to know if he was alright and wanted to hear reassurance sucks ass and he deserves criticism for it.
Damn, good taste. Basically came here to say the same thing. They're the ones who sound the least like they need a guillotine.
Amber's mischaracterizing fetishization of the proletariat led me to believe she isn't nearly as working class as she'd hope you'd believe.
Matt's a fancy boy and self admits it, but he do be working
Wait, he is? I thought he came from a working class background given Wisconsin.
Not sure actually, but a friend of mine who is close to him says that CTH has 100% gone to his head and he's basically becoming the mask
I listen to the pod, but through the years I grew to like the hosts less and less. Maybe they are just too good at projecting that insufferable edgy doomer brooklynite image or maybe the money has changed them man.
its a combination of them losing their minds because bernie lost and them being too popular and rich and well known for the show to have the edge it used to which is a lot of what made it funny. Remember when they used to make fake death threats to op ed columnists and shit?
As someone has pointed out Will and co. now get to hang out with the sort of people they would be making fun of three years ago.
My humble opinion is that the only real reason they've taken off is because their doomer asses predicted Trump, in the sense that if you keep repeating a minority opinion you will be occasionally right. They predicted Trump as much as 6-year-old me won Jeopardy by repeating the same answer to every question.
Hating Matt, the best boy
gasp How dare you. If the VolCel police weren't around, I'd be sending you thousands of photos of Matt to get horny to.
But he's not yours, he's mine. Silly boys.
More seriously though: The podcast is fine, they're not really meant to be "radical"ized ("Chapo-to-X pipeline") or anything. They're just 4-5 men and a woman shooting the shit about weekly news.
That said: Matt and Felix (and Virgil) are about the only 2-3 that are worth listening to seperately.
I like Matt, Felix I will forever have a grudge against for bullying me on Twitter and making me have one of the worst weekends of my life mentally.
I know Virgil entirely from his jokes and infiltration of chud Facebook groups so I have no reason to dislike him. But the rest are questionable at best from what I've seen
I've never really found him funny and I know that makes me sound like a middle aged mom but I really don't get the appeal personally
I'm very positive on Sam Seder actually, I wouldn't hate to have more of him in the world.
Sounds like he has a sexism problem that isn't being addressed....
Don't worry he's working on getting a MSNBC gig, this couldn't possibly remain a long term issue that will eventually come back to haunt him.
It goes beyond not listening to being a patronizing dick sometimes. I had to cut back on my Majority Report viewing after the last time he went off on her.
Yeah it kinda sucks without Michael. Sam is a giant lib and doesn't listen to Jamie and she's kind of a mixed bag anyway (see: her dumbass Alex Morse take this week)
Jaime's also just terrible at radio. Anyone listening to MR that could be radicalized by a good communist explanation for events is basically stunted because Jaime can barely get a sentence out.
So chapo bad, but libs like Sam Seder good? Dude host MSNBC and is as milquetoast as they come.
He did an entire episode where he just Russia Gates non stop, he will basically read any script the DNC hands him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d54Ovb_3Efo
Whenever a Redditor calls me a chapocel first of all that doesn't make sense, and second of all how dare you assume I have listened to a single episode.
So I’m a Chapo celibate despite how I am obviously knee deep in man cock
The brooklyn libs were always insufferable and the podcast was always bad
Cats would never snitch on you to the police, and that's one of the many reasons why they're the best pet.
