THEY DID THE MEME. THE ABSOLUTE MADLADS DID THE MEME

https://old.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/ojoyj8/rule/h53w4y3/?context=3

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    imperialism is when you send troops, and the more troops you send,, the more imperialist it is

    I give these fucking melts a few months before they claim the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz was "imperialism"

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      The "Russia did an imperialism in WWII" is the oldest libshit take I know, and an immense dogwhistle if you will listening it.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        huh, I usually hear that applied to things after 1945 from my libs

        • RNAi [he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Yes. "But why would Russia remain any more time there after Hitler was shot (since that single act made all the nazis suddenly dissapear) if it wasn't because they are imperialists"

    • Hohsia [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      imperialism is when you send troops, and the more troops you send,, the more imperialist it is

      This what soc dem debate bros believe, sadly

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    imperialism is when volunteers help liberate angola from the forces of white colonizers

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    People desperately need to be taught the difference between using your military to do a thing vs economic imperialism as a higher tier of capitalism.

    It's the primary issue the comes up over and over when spreading anti-imperialism. People do not understand it.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      The US really didn't want to do an imperialism in New Orleans after Katrina

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Right? There is a huge amount of confusion between anti-war and anti-imperialist messaging. Anti-imperialism is not anti-war, although anti-war can be anti-imperialism at times. And use of military to do a thing gets massively confused with imperialism because of the confusion with anti-war and military occupation.

        • RNAi [he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Yeh it's pretty understandable for people to not get the difference, especially if they are from, say, the US, since 99% of its military deployments were that.

            • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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              3 years ago

              With military force. :tankie:

              (But actually yeah, I think emphasizing the difference between antiwar and anti-imperialism at every opportunity, person by person. There's no quick fix.)

            • RNAi [he/him]
              hexagon
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              3 years ago

              NGL being the "akchually this war isn't imperialism" reminds me of libs so it's not my priority to go there.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                3 years ago

                I mean, yeah. But also AES states are definitely going to get dragged into wars in our lifetime and libs are definitely going to do the "See! they're imperialist!" argument.

                Also spreading socialism constantly gets called imperialism as if every socialist country is a puppet state of whatever the largest socialist country in the world is. That got thrown at the USSR a lot and it will be thrown at China in coming years.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Violence = Bad. I will defend the status quo at any cost.

      Not actually, of course. But I'll get very angry on the internet about it.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        While ignoring the violence perpetrated to maintain the status quo in a considerably worse state and while pretending said violence does not exist.

  • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I love how, in this precocious mind, developing a real world country operates like building a base in Red Alert. Money (and there's only one type of that!) seamlessly converts into whatever you need, with the only difficulty being saving up enough for a tech center now and then. You don't need silly things like an industrial base or trade with other countries; there are no problems with currency exchanges; and what is brain drain, anyway?

      • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        Because that's literally how they think goods are produced in capitalist countries, they all just go to the X Factory and produce infinite products with infinite resources and they pop up at the store

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Imperialism is when you send soldiers abroad and the more soldiers you send, etc, etc.

      Can't seem to find how many military bases Cuba has in South Africa, though. Anyone have that number?

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          3 years ago

          Ah. Hmmm... Well, then. How many American military bases are there, just as a point of comparison?

            • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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              3 years ago

              I've seen the US Consulate in Cape Town described as a base simply because of how ridiculously over-armed it is.

              I just find it amusing to think Cubans are occupying South Africa like the US is doing in Iraq or Afghanistan, for instance.

  • toledosequel [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Ignoring the fact that Cuba spends <5% of its GDP on its military, money doesn't make those trade embargoes magically go away. If you've got $100 but the stores closed, the fuck are ya gonna do? And here they are conflating military intervention with Imperialism even though they are always bitching about the left doing so. Comparing Cuban involvement in Africa and American involvement in Asia, which one resembles an Imperial pursuit? The results and receptions speak for themselves.

    The Venezuela line is pure fabrication.

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Lots of similar takes from "every country I don't like is a genocidal regime" twitter.

    • serph [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Honestly I've seen this kind of takes with right wing reactionaries from several latin american countries.

    • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I mean, at this point the vaushites aren't even that. They're just straight up neolibs now.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      US- SocDems *

      US- Anarchists *

      • culpritus [any]
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        3 years ago

        it's getting so draining seeing Chomskanarchists doing consent manufacturing on AES, and they get so bent out of shape screaming about 'tankies' when you point it out

  • Torenico [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    imperialism is when ppl with red flag help ppl with red flag (if all are brown ppl it's a higher stage of imperialism)