Via a law announced Tuesday, Venezuela will create a new province or state in the disputed territory, having already appointed a single provisional authority: Major-General Alexis Rodríguez Cabello
China's economy rising and forming ties with other developing nations is doing more overall damage than starting another hot war with a 3rd party allied with the US. I'm for pursing diplomatic and economic means of weakening the empire before resorting to wars that will inflict harm on civilian populations who didn't ask to be part of this game of geopolitical chess. The USSR fought American Imperialism but they didn't blunder into poorly planned armed conflicts and generally tried exhausting other means before getting the guns out.
Magic it is then. The US ruling class will start a hot war with China (while making sure to use the corporate media to blame China the entire time) long before it ever surrenders hegemony to the CPC.
Alright have fun watching Caracas get burned to the ground when this goes tits up for Venezuela.
Rescinding this comment cuz it was in poor taste and I was heated. Still think this conflict will likely go badly for Venezuela but I shouldn't make lite of it.
So you think palestine shouldnt have launched operation al-aqsa flood because gaza is currently being burned to the ground in retaliation? Fascists will do genocide anyway.
That's a fucked up response. We support AES. You're the one choosing to drop support at the first sight of something you don't like, and clearly without investigation, since you keep repeating "the US is not involved" and "theres no justification." Then you go straight to masking it with concern trolling.
Serioulsy, take a fucking a break and rethink before you post shit like
Alright have fun watching Caracas get burned to the ground when this goes tits up for Venezuela.
Yeah I'll cop that was a dumb thing to say, I was heated. I still think if a war breaks out it's gonna go bad for Venezuela so if nothing else I'm not happy about this.
If I think it's a bad idea I say so, I'm just some asshole on the internet just like you, nobody consults us about anything before doing it. If you wanna make your case for why it's actually a great idea do so but you'll not be influencing anything besides maybe me.
I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. China is doing things differently yes but they’re also on the complete other side of the world. Venezuela doesn’t have the ability to build its productive forces like China because of its proximity to the United States.
Do you genuinely think this is a good idea for Venezuela? It's not that I think it's unjust, I honestly don't know enough about the history of the disputed territory to pass judgement. It just seems like a really dumb move from Maduro. There's no clear benefit resource wise (they already have enough oil), its not going to foster any goodwill among other South American countries, if the US gets involved Venezuela is fucked, and even if successful they're going to have to sink a lot of energy into administering the newly annexed territory (which is never easy).
I just think that a decision like this was probably not made lightly. I really doubt Maduro was just like “fuck it imma do something funny” that like libs saying Putin is evil and one day invaded Ukraine for fun.
Fair, but there's a big difference between the Ukraine invasion and this. Ukraine was the result of a calculated effort to force Russia's hand. This seems like an unforced error, and I don't see why we should assume Maduro is incapable of making miscalculations just because he has the right ideas in a lot of other areas.
It would be nice if Maduro had an announcement making his reasoning available for everyone to see like Putin did, so I get what you’re saying. I would like to think this is a calculated effort but I’ll be honest and say I don’t really know. Could be a huge fuck up, but as of right now critical support is my default with things like this even if it is just reflexive anti Americanism.
Another reason I'm not happy about this is I'm not confident Venezuela can win this, if it gets embroiled in this conflict it could just as easily end up a win for the US Empire cuz now they can just snuff out Venezuela instead of trying to chip away at them via more subtle means. That's why, even if I don't agree with Maduro's decision here, I would still oppose US involvement of any kind.
this conflict it could just as easily end up a win for the US Empire cuz now they can just snuff out Venezuela instead of trying to chip away at them
I'm not accusing you of this, but this is exactly the line of reasoning that every Trot and left liberal I know used to explain why we all needed to "condemn Hamas". The unstated assumption here is that confronting the empire can only result in a worse outcome for the periphery, and so we must oppose any material resistance by the periphery for their own good.
The only two conclusions to this line of thinking are:
That there is no possibility of things improving for the periphery, and so the best they can hope for is to preserve the status quo indefinitely.
That the only effective means of improving the material conditions of the periphery is by waging some kind of purely moral nonviolent struggle through speech and symbolic gestures.
I've been owned, a pro-US stooge used the smug emoji in defense of the most powerful and evil empire in world history, and depict their victims as smug.
I don’t think the US is winning this one. America trains for the wars it’s GOING to fight, not the ones it didn’t expect. Very few of the relatively small number of US troops have jungle training, all our equipment weights 200 tons so it’s not gonna be useful there, we already didn’t win Vietnam. That’s all before you add on the stress of Ukraine and Israel. I don’t see it happening.
Insofar as any military effort done by a member of the global south could end its existence by going against American interests I guess. But like I said in another comment I really doubt this was done with zero thought put behind it. You have to think on a world wide scale if the Russo-Ukraine war was not happening right now, Oct 7 probably would have had more trouble than anticipated since the US had to divert Israeli assets to Ukraine because it’s going so poorly for them. I couldn’t imagine a similar situation isn’t going on here.
Some leftists would literally oppose Cuba taking Guantanamo Bay back as Imperialistic.
That's not even remotely comparable. Half a country isn't one military base.
When that country is a subsidiary of Exxon, it is actually just a US military base.
Guantanamo Bay doesn't have a civilian population.
I'm opposed to any US involvement in this conflict but still think war is bad even if one of the country's involved is a US pawn.
How are we supposed to get rid of American imperialism without being violent? Should we rely on magic instead?
China's economy rising and forming ties with other developing nations is doing more overall damage than starting another hot war with a 3rd party allied with the US. I'm for pursing diplomatic and economic means of weakening the empire before resorting to wars that will inflict harm on civilian populations who didn't ask to be part of this game of geopolitical chess. The USSR fought American Imperialism but they didn't blunder into poorly planned armed conflicts and generally tried exhausting other means before getting the guns out.
Magic it is then. The US ruling class will start a hot war with China (while making sure to use the corporate media to blame China the entire time) long before it ever surrenders hegemony to the CPC.
Alright have fun watching Caracas get burned to the ground when this goes tits up for Venezuela.Rescinding this comment cuz it was in poor taste and I was heated. Still think this conflict will likely go badly for Venezuela but I shouldn't make lite of it.
So you think palestine shouldnt have launched operation al-aqsa flood because gaza is currently being burned to the ground in retaliation? Fascists will do genocide anyway.
That's a fucked up response. We support AES. You're the one choosing to drop support at the first sight of something you don't like, and clearly without investigation, since you keep repeating "the US is not involved" and "theres no justification." Then you go straight to masking it with concern trolling.
Serioulsy, take a fucking a break and rethink before you post shit like
again. Because thats straight up
brained
Never said that.
Not directly yet, if they do get directly involved then I think Venezuela is screwed.
Yes and I think that includes me saying when I think an AES state is about to do something that's probably a very bad idea for them to do.
All i know is saying
Is some
bullshit
Yeah I'll cop that was a dumb thing to say, I was heated. I still think if a war breaks out it's gonna go bad for Venezuela so if nothing else I'm not happy about this.
Cool. Fair enough
Thanks for not being a dick
Are you dissapointed that the VZ government didn't consult with you first before taking action for their best interests?
I don't think VZ really has the military capacity to take on the US or even a force being backed by the US. They ain't Russia.
The US is involved in 2 major conflicts rn, Ukraine and Israel. But no, VZ should've consulted with you first.
Yeah you're right they really should have consulted Lemmygrad users instead.
Why on earth would we smugly criticize the actions of an anti-imperialist nation and victim of US imperialism like VZ, like you're doing right now?
If I think it's a bad idea I say so, I'm just some asshole on the internet just like you, nobody consults us about anything before doing it. If you wanna make your case for why it's actually a great idea do so but you'll not be influencing anything besides maybe me.
I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. China is doing things differently yes but they’re also on the complete other side of the world. Venezuela doesn’t have the ability to build its productive forces like China because of its proximity to the United States.
Don’t question why you end up on the same side of US imperial foreign policy, just keep nodding along.
Do you genuinely think this is a good idea for Venezuela? It's not that I think it's unjust, I honestly don't know enough about the history of the disputed territory to pass judgement. It just seems like a really dumb move from Maduro. There's no clear benefit resource wise (they already have enough oil), its not going to foster any goodwill among other South American countries, if the US gets involved Venezuela is fucked, and even if successful they're going to have to sink a lot of energy into administering the newly annexed territory (which is never easy).
I just think that a decision like this was probably not made lightly. I really doubt Maduro was just like “fuck it imma do something funny” that like libs saying Putin is evil and one day invaded Ukraine for fun.
Fair, but there's a big difference between the Ukraine invasion and this. Ukraine was the result of a calculated effort to force Russia's hand. This seems like an unforced error, and I don't see why we should assume Maduro is incapable of making miscalculations just because he has the right ideas in a lot of other areas.
It would be nice if Maduro had an announcement making his reasoning available for everyone to see like Putin did, so I get what you’re saying. I would like to think this is a calculated effort but I’ll be honest and say I don’t really know. Could be a huge fuck up, but as of right now critical support is my default with things like this even if it is just reflexive anti Americanism.
The US is not involved in this conflict yet and I would opposed their involvement if they did
Are you sure? What is exxonmobil again? Who has influence in the International Court of Justice?
America is the one aggressing on Venezuela by using their puppet government in Guyana to encircle them and take the disputed territory unilaterally.
Not directly, militarily
Why does that matter? Should countries just lay down and let America strangle them "non-militarily/indirectly" until they're dead?
Another reason I'm not happy about this is I'm not confident Venezuela can win this, if it gets embroiled in this conflict it could just as easily end up a win for the US Empire cuz now they can just snuff out Venezuela instead of trying to chip away at them via more subtle means. That's why, even if I don't agree with Maduro's decision here, I would still oppose US involvement of any kind.
Guyana has no military.
So your alternative is to let them win because they might win if Venezuela reacts? Makes no sense.
I'm not accusing you of this, but this is exactly the line of reasoning that every Trot and left liberal I know used to explain why we all needed to "condemn Hamas". The unstated assumption here is that confronting the empire can only result in a worse outcome for the periphery, and so we must oppose any material resistance by the periphery for their own good.
The only two conclusions to this line of thinking are:
Both of these are just liberalism.
Neocolonialism
Clearly the US has no interests in the region, that's why they leave VZ alone and let them develop peacefully. /s
If they get involved who do you think is winning?
It's not your place to criticize actions of an anti-imperialist nation like VZ because of your speculation on its outcome.
Whats your place then?
Support the victims of US imperialism, and trust that they know what they're doing? I realize that's very difficult for you to do.
I've been owned, a pro-US stooge used the smug emoji in defense of the most powerful and evil empire in world history, and depict their victims as smug.
I don’t think the US is winning this one. America trains for the wars it’s GOING to fight, not the ones it didn’t expect. Very few of the relatively small number of US troops have jungle training, all our equipment weights 200 tons so it’s not gonna be useful there, we already didn’t win Vietnam. That’s all before you add on the stress of Ukraine and Israel. I don’t see it happening.
The United States would defend it as if it was one though.
Yes which could destroy Venezuela which is another reason I don't think this is a good thing.
Insofar as any military effort done by a member of the global south could end its existence by going against American interests I guess. But like I said in another comment I really doubt this was done with zero thought put behind it. You have to think on a world wide scale if the Russo-Ukraine war was not happening right now, Oct 7 probably would have had more trouble than anticipated since the US had to divert Israeli assets to Ukraine because it’s going so poorly for them. I couldn’t imagine a similar situation isn’t going on here.