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  • DeathToBritain [she/her, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    and interesting thing is that a lot of fundamentalist Islamists are actually not anti trans. they are fine with trans people and help them transition in a lot of cases like Egypt and Iran. the problem they have is with gay people, which like I'm not saying that's good or anything but it is funny how these brainworms work different depending on the culture... almost like these things have been constructed socially or something

    • chlooooooooooooo [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      hm, not really true to say Iran is fine with trans people. what they do is they force gay people to receive bottom surgery and live as the other binary gender. and while actual trans people do have a path to limited recognition under the law and can receive bottom surgery funded by the state (provided you jump through a huge number of humiliating, privacy violating, life destroying hoops), it's still fucking awful to be a trans person in Iran. they are most certainly anti-trans, they're just relatively good on trans rights compared to places like Saudi Arabia where you get murdered by the state for it.

      • DeathToBritain [she/her, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        yeah I am massively over simplifying it to make a quick point. like you are correct it's not like Iran is draping the streets of Tehran with trans pride flags. but it is just interesting how transness is, to some degree, accepted where homosexuality is seen as a bridge too far, showing how much this stuff is just a social construct and completely arbitrary on which one is 'too far'

      • departee [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Hi, i'm uneducated on the topic but check out this tweet https://mobile.twitter.com/9BillionTigers/status/1403528666311581700

    • fadsdie [undecided]
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      3 years ago

      A lot of Islamic theocracies believe that gay men have womens brains and places like Iran will give gay men two choices.

      1. Be stoned to death.

      2. Forcibly undergo sex change surgeries.

    • grant87231 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I have a family friend from Iraq and he literally didn't believe gay people existed when he immigrated

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    • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Pretty much the entire world was relatively chill about being gay or trans or nonbinary, until christian missionaries showed up and were like "Well we gotta start killing these people to save their souls!" or however else they liked to justify their fucking terror.

      • chlooooooooooooo [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        well, not quite "pretty much the entire world was relatively chill" but large swathes of it were not as explicitly hateful as christian european society is and in some places those things were even tolerated and understood as normal

        • BruceWillis [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          i would say in most places there was a place for gay and trans people. native american two spirit, hawaiian mahu, etc etc really it was almost universal to have a space/third gender/understanding for LGBTQ people in many societies before the colonizer pieces of shit came.

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    • fadsdie [undecided]
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      3 years ago

      No not at all. Homophobia has been present all around the world. Its not something Christians made up

      • grant87231 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        I think a lot of people came up with sexism independently. The Marxist historical position is that sexism grew out of agricultural societies as it became important for men to know who their children were