Volcel jokes aside, that's unfortunate.
Overall, I do think China is on the right track. but they def. have their issues with trying to legislate morality a little too much.
I don't think Gianna Michaels/hentai is going to inspire the populace to take up arms in a capitalist revolution.
def. have their issues with trying to legislate morality a little too much.
back to reddit you go
Yes, it's impossible to think banning adults from seeing other adults fucking is silly without being le Reddit gentlesir.
Sorry, I'm just annoyed with how much "UM ACKSHUALLY" responses this got.
Still: If people are going and finding it anyway en masse, I don't see the point in having such a pointless rule at all.
engaging in the moral calculus of how much chinese boys should be allowed to masturbate seems pretty reddit-tier to me, but i'll defer to you and your extensive first hand experience.
"Literally no one else consumes porn outside of young boys."
"I'm very smart."
self-satisfied pedantry is NOT something I find on reddit
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The first half of your username is accurate at least lol.
As someone that lives in China, I can tell you that you can easily find porn on the Chinese internet without a VPN, you just need to know how to search. The biggest difference between China and the West is that in China you can't watch the videos directly on a website, you can only download them
And I'm glad you guys still can, I just wish the official policy was different so it would be even easier/more convenient.
It's just getting rid of a pointless restriction on a silly thing. Porn being freely available wouldn't be a social disservice if that's what you're implying.
Then the policy in place is even more pointless then, no?
Well maybe the Chinese government isn't 100% infallible with only laws that are completely necessary.
If I ran a government, and said there was a ban on peanut butter, but the populace still regularly got peanut butter anyway, what would be the actual point of my ban exactly?
It would probably have the effect of reducing peanut butter consumption to a level below what would happen if it was legalized.
I don't blame China for not wanting to fully open the porn spigot. It's probably wise as a precautionary measure.
Okay, are you an unironic volcel or something? lol
Freely available porn doesn't corrupt people or "the culture" or whatever you're implying there.
you assuming there is absolutely no harm being done by pornography is by far the more absurd position, particularly when the alternative is "we're not sure yet"
I'm willing to bet whatever harm there is is negligible to the average, well-adjusted adult.
perhaps. but without evidence you're just making a statement of belief. have you considered there might be more to the position maintained by the other side than "i'm willing to bet based on precisely nothing"?
As stated elsewhere, I'm sure there is a reason, but based on the past history of pornography bans, there's very high odds that it's not all that good and not based on any actual logic.
If it's pointless, then you're angry at an immaterial ideal rather than the material reality of the citizens themselves. You're objecting, as an outsider, to something of no consequence. People who live there experience the material conditions, so you're just vaguely gesticulating on suppositions and hypotheticals. As a Marxist-Leninist, I hereby banish you to the :gulag:
US "freedom" brainwashing has gotten the best of us, comrade. Material conditions are what affect people the mostI just think it's silly to ban grown adults from freely watching other grown adults fuck.
Prove...what? That it's silly to do that?
Okay, look at everywhere that does freely allow pornography. By and large porn being available doesn't significantly hurt anyone in those places, so why would it be any different in China?
Is there any reason China shouldn't? Who is significantly harmed in a tangible way by this? Also Japan's got some pretty fucked up stuff going on with its hentai, and I think there's an easy argument to be made that it negatively impacts the people there.
Yeah, I agree that hentai is a symptom, not a cause of the awful culture around sex that Japan suffers from. Like, a lot of men feel guilt or shame for having sexual desire, and that sucks.
I appreciate the acknowledgement that it most likely does impact the social status of women and on that grounds might warrant banning.
"However, in my opinion, arguing that the excesses of Hentai are the specific reason for the alienation [...]"
I didn't say this, but I'm sure someone has.
I mostly brought up hentai because OP made the claim that porn usually doesn't harm people and I threw it in there sorta just to be petty.
My point to OP remains though: if he doesn't believe the legislation is even effective, then what harm is it doing? What tangible consequence is he objecting to?
not being a social disservice is not the same thing as serving the public good
so, what good would that serve?
What good is there to pointlessly ban something?
People wanna get off and watch people fuck, I say let em' blow off some steam.
the question is poorly asked, there is inherently no point to a pointless thing
obviously they want to attempt to restrict either the consumption of pornography or its manufacture, whether that's because they believe doing so will achieve their population growth aims or because they think it's socially maladaptive or something, but the reason is manifestly not "for no reason"
if you're so curious, i'd suggest looking into the whys. it's an interesting question; i just don't necessarily know that i'd take such a strong position as you have when i don't have the slightest clue why something was enacted
Obviously there a reason, but based on the history of anti-pornography bans throughout world history, odds are very high that that reason is not based in actual logic.
perhaps so, but i think you'll find that what is deemed logical is far from universally agreed upon. and "high odds" means nothing, aside from "i feel very strongly that this is the case". you have already acknowledged that you don't understand the reasons behind it, so it smacks of arrogance to simply claim that you know better without even investigating the situation
"no investigation, no etc etc" - jesus, maybe?
Okay dude, seems like you're more of a China stan than I am and that we're just gonna keep going in circles and never agree here.
So I agree to disagree.
i'm neither a dude nor a china stan, just someone asking you to bother looking into a situation before developing an intense emotional attachment to one side or the other
refusing to entertain the possibility that something you know nothing about might be more complex than your initial impression isn't "agreeing to disagree", but i can't control your mind.
this isn't evil totalitarian authoritarian china after all!
Firstly "intense emotional attachment" is overstating it. I have the day off and nothing else to do outside of posting.
Secondly, you're saying you're not a China stan, but seem to be interpreting my overall critique as paramount to calling them The Great Satan or something.
might i suggest you spend your posting time researching the issues you're curious about, instead of staking out a position without any information whatsoever?
From what I understand there's a very large underground market for pornography, centered in Taiwan, and accessed on the web via VPNs. Interestingly, the law in China isn't too different from the law in other Asian countries - the RoK also bans pornography, but will only target production and sale rather than randos acessing a porn site.
It's not the worst by any means, it's just silly that such restrictions exist at all, including in those other countries.
Just let people watch other people have sex and fap to it, ya know? It's really not a big deal til' they make it one.
Yeah agree, it's the same silly stance that most of Asia takes against drugs as well - extremely tough, disproportionate sentences for possession of any drug, incuding mandatory death sentences. You can't make life miserable for people and then not even let them have an out of any kind.
And before someone says it: Yes, China and other countries in the area had a very rough history with opium. Still doesn't mean all drugs should be insanely prosecuted tho.
The Chinese think it does, and I think they know more about the history of drug addiction and its material effects on their country than we do.
I don't think I have to be a Chinese resident to say that, weed for example, would not be the downfall of global communism.
There's different histories informing your and their viewpoints. Making marijuana and other drugs illegal in the US has been used as a way to crack down on and internally colonize poor people and minorities by funneling them into prison and breaking their political organizations. Making it illegal in China was a way to elevate China from foreign domination, as the opium trade had been imposed on them by the British, and widespread opium addiction did tremendous damage to their society. I don't think there can be a single drug policy for two countries with vastly different material conditions and histories. I don't know if their drug policy is right or wrong, I just know that they're coming from a very different place than we are.
And I do acknowledge that.
But I still think, even with that in mind, enough time has passed where they can at least handle something as soft/harmless as marijuana, which is a far cry from a hard-ass addictive drug like opium.
This is a bizarre take tbh. A Chinese person smoking weed is no better or worse than an American doing the same. The history can tell us why things are the way things are, but I don't understand how it makes sense to say that one country ought to have harsh penalties while another country shouldn't. If a drug can be used as a tool for domination, then perhaps you could argue that it should be banned, but if it can dominate Chinese people then it can dominate Americans just as well. And if a drug is harmless here, then it is harmless there.
What specific material conditions currently exist in China that cause marijuana to be so much more harmful and dangerous, compared to material conditions in the US?
I'm not talking about how dangerous the drug in itself is. I'm saying that a bunch of westerners grousing about Chinese policies towards marijuana is kind of a bad look. If the Chinese people feel differently towards marijuana than we do, we should just try to understand where they're coming from and respect their laws and preferences, instead of judging them.
I agree that it can be a bad look and that there are more important things to focus on. But ideally, it ought to be decriminalized. I don't really disagree with your stance with that clarification, I think I just found the phrasing a little weird.
I'm here for the titties struggle session but I refuse to participate. I am an enlightened porno centrist.
Maybe they would just prefer that people actually meet and fuck each other instead of being shut-ins alienated from their social body?
Jokes aside, I would reckon its aim is less at morality, and more at targeting industry. But that's just a guess on my part.
Yes teacher. But srsly, based on my other research, this article actually seems fairly accurate and not overly propaganda-y.
Doesn't make the people any less horny though. People will still watch porn even if government bans it.
who the fuck let these libertarians in? "silly stances" mfers be larping about abolishing sex work after capitalism the day before
Uh, is this aimed at me, or...?
Cuz I never advocated for that at least.
This seems like a repeat of your post from months ago, where you were instructed how involuntary pornographic content should not have human sacrifices who have to filter it out for your own 3 minute amusement.
Perhaps you should consider that China is hostile to pornography because of the subsequent sexual exploitation of minors and vulnerable people the industry encourages and cultivates. It is paternalistic social control/engineering, and its not like pornography is eliminated, but it would seem the point is to socially and economically shun the industry.
Bitch, I wasn't "instructed" on anything. lol I still hold the exact same beliefs I did 9 months ago.
I'm not engaging further cuz for all I know you're an alt of the guy who harassed me in my dms for days after that thread and eventually got banned for it. The fact you readily recall a specific obscure thread from almost a year ago is :amogus: as hell to me.
Well, this is my first time interacting with you. You're a power user on this site, and I associate your username with that particular struggle session.
Suffice it to say, I don't have those antisocial impulses, and I'm sorry that happened to you. There's nothing to engage here though, so fair enough on wanting to disengage.
This new China struggle sesh seems like a rehash of that old thread is all. :shrug-outta-hecks:
I've never really thought of myself as a power user here, so I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment or an insult lol.
While there are similarities in the sense that both situations involve the general idea of a "porn ban", I think they're each unique enough to warrant commenting on separately (A single, albeit large, porn site limiting what porn can be uploaded to it vs. An entire country's government outright banning all types of porn). Not to mention, as previously said, that other thread is from over 9 months ago, so it's not like that one is fresh off the presses anyway.
China/pornography struggle session and I'm all for it. Tbh op is mostly correct I'd say, but I'm mostly here for the struggle session
uhhhhhh i've literally seen it?
outside chance it's all taiwanese & singaporean i suppose :shrug-outta-hecks:
