As we now are deep in a wave of true crime shit it is weird that the liberal medis was ahead of thr curve on this. We can probably safely assume that he didn't do it. However having a component lawyer probably wouldn't have helped so it was the best outcome. Then there was the state witness which was apparently the school drug dealer trying to avoid jail for possession. So that is perfectly on brand for law enforcement. The reporter totally banged when he got out right? Did they have another season after shitown? I kinda remember it just being a big city liberal in judgmental awe of thr lives of small town folk but I couldnt say I remember more than that

  • Coca_Cola_but_Commie [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    God I hated Shittown. It's been a long time now, so I can't remember everything. But I know the whole thing felt exploitive of the subject, whose name I can't remember. I mean, he must've agreed to have this documentary made about him, but he obviously wasn't well. And then they reveal that, during the making of their documentary, the guy fucking killed himself. And they just kept going. Tried to make some minor drama between a friend of the guy's and some estranged family into a fracas. And then there definitely was a big element of 'big city liberal come to the boonies.' Maybe it's because I've never been in the PMC, but I've been in cities and in the boonies and places aren't really that different. It's not like you've suddenly stepped into a totally different culture where they speak a different language and have totally alien social customs. Things are different, sure, but not that different.

    But in the end I felt like Shittown just didn't have any point to make. It's like the reporter found one dude who was willing to rant to him and then just sorta hoped a story would materialize around that. But instead it meanders. Hey here's this guy who hates his home town and is an eccentric clockmaker and also probably a closeted gay man and he killed himself. Is there drama after that? No? Oh, all right, it's over then. It ends up feeling like the point of the show is 'let's all gawk at these freaks', rather than, I dunno, 'look how capitalism is failing rural Americans' or something.

  • MarxistMaths [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    We can probably safely assume that he didn’t do it.

    Disagree.

    He should have been found not guilty.

    But, the evidence indicates he did it, and she ignored the strongest evidence, because she had a crush on him.

    • FidelCashflow [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Oh word? I remembered it being a toss up. I was using the rule of thumb that the cops are making shit up. Was that in the text or did that come out after?

      • tensofree [any]
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        3 years ago

        It sorta still is a toss up. IIRC both cops on the investigation had histories of corruption, the story they convicted him with was physically impossible and by the end the only witness admitted to perjury. He may have still done it idk, but fuck if I would convict anyone on that.

        • FidelCashflow [he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          I mean if cops having a history of corruption invalidated a case they'd have to shut down all the prisions for lack of occupation. Which, it should but you know.

      • spectre [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I can say there was a lot of discussion in the couple years after the pod came out including follow up investigation by podcasters (not the best but w/e). By the time the dust eventually settled the consensus was pretty close to "guilty but the prosecution did a bad job". The pod also includes an appearance from the innocence project who are quoted with something like "we do our own investigation and fight for the wrongly imprisoned. If it turns out there's nothing there for us to fight for we just quietly move on to other things". Well they had an active investigation for a while, but nothing was ever heard from them...

        • FidelCashflow [he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          That's pretty damning. It is weir dto try to hold the entire pocture in your mind of how the cops fucked up in multiple different and contradictory ways at the same time.

          • spectre [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Maybe, it's not absolute proof in any case, there's more to it that you can find on the sub

  • Shmozzle [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    They did a season on the Cleveland court system which was pretty dry but I thought it was good.

    • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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      3 years ago

      The :reddit-logo: community for MaM is pure ideology at this point. It's really bizarre to read.

      • meme_monster [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Got any spicy recent posts? Looks like the guilters have all moved on but they seemed to own the board during the Dassey appeals.

    • FidelCashflow [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      She was the liberal conservatives made up for scary stories for their kids. Didn't she make most of an episode about how the whole thing mader her feel?

    • Coca_Cola_but_Commie [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I liked the season about Bergdahl better and I think part of that is that Sarah Koenig never talked to Bergdahl, some other journalist had already done that.

      Also I just checked her wiki and her stepfather is a former CIA officer lol.