yes, I did stop lurking specifically to post this screenshot about the dress
Also, since I don't see it talked about around here much, ATTENTION Kshama is currently in a recall fight with the recall vote (which will then trigger an election) coming up in a few months, consider donating to the solidarity campaign or phonebanking or some shit, I know some of you libs still volunteer for beto
what's your favorite AOC move? mine was "both sides"ing the latest US attempt to undermine Cuba
I think it might be this honestly, it's like the kente-cloth kneeling, or the liberal version of the "I don't care do u" jacket
Kshama Sawant is getting screwed. There was a segment on komo recently about the recall that only interviewed people in favor of recalling her, and they all talked about the march to Durkans house. I don't believe any actual people care about that stuff, especially not any leftists, which the segment was clearly painting them as. It's working, too. My mom is super opposed to her, though she can't really articulate why. I couldn't change the channel or anything because I was about to get operated on and the remote was too far away. Pissed me off.
Yeah its total bullshit, but that's to be expected when you're a committed marxist in office actively threatening and already towing concessions from the ruling class. But they can get fucked, the fight back has only just started, and the media doesn't mean a thing in the face of grass roots organizing
also hope the operation went well comrade!
God, I hope so. She's honestly one of the few things that gives me any amount of hope for the future. (And the operation went well, thanks.)
Liberals can't imagine a politician actually doing something. She's just so terrible...
One of my family members talked about how "she's only in it for herself/her career" and I was close to having a 1 on 1 and explaining how a communist party actually works lmao
Starting to have second thoughts about the effectiveness of this whole electoralism thing
she holds the power to make the slogan happen but refuses
This is literally what the $3.5T infrastructure bill is doing! Trillions in new taxes, targeted squarely at the wealthiest Americans! She's wearing a giant endorsement for legislation she is actively facilitating the passage of!
God damnit, people. Like, I get the whole "this is liberal af" vibe. Because it's 100% lib af. But the problem with the dress isn't that AOC isn't voting to raise taxes. It isn't that the Dem majority in the House of Reps has failed to get on board with raising taxes. It's that doing marginal tax increases on people who saw their wealth skyrocket 30% in the middle of a pandemic is liberal panacea.
"Tax the Rich" is, at the end of the day, the left wing of fascism.
I wish AOC was girlboss Dennis Kucinich. Dude actually had principles and was the most aggressively antiwar congressman of my lifetime.
The thing about AOC is not the dress itself but the fact she holds the power in Congress to make that slogan happen but refuses
Maybe I'm reading this wrong the wrong way, but that's literally not how Congress works. Rich people not getting taxed more isn't happening because AOC hasn't formally submitted legislation for that.
I think I phrased it badly because I'm high,but what I mean is that as a person in congress, she has inherent power. She's known and she has a platform. I don't mean she refused to press the communism button that every congressperson has on their desk, but that she's failing to do with the office the only thing that can really be done: be a beacon for the working class to help them organize and to direct their anger and raise consciousnessShe mostly just says that these policies are good and we should do them and stops there. She should be working to foster mass working class movements to push for policy improvements like raising the minimum wage, demilitarizing police, green new deal, m4a, etc etc, but those things can only be accomplished by using the platform of the office in concert with the working class, they won't be given to us they have to be won through mass action organization and pressure-- not by doing splashy things that last for like 4 days before the news cycle sweeps it away. But hey, maybe I'll end up looking stupid because this is actually the first step in her master plan to start doing exactly what I'm talking about, and I'll take the L if that happens, but it seems pretty unlikely, given her track record
Hope that made sense
Edit: just realized that you quoted the post and not me lmao, But this is how I interpreted it anyway
That does phrase it better and I agree with your take here.
While I do think that AOC and her ilk should do more to mobilize people to take action to press for policies that they claim to support (and likely do actually, in my opinion), we could do more ourselves. We don't need to wait for AOC to tell us what to do.
we could do more ourselves.
Depends who 'we' is, cause I (and probably a much higher % of people on here than the general pop) am politically active in an org and on the streets, but I do get what you mean, the general population can definitely could do more
We don’t need to wait for AOC to tell us what to do. |
This is where AOC, or rather a working class organizer with her platform, would come in, by being a political pole for working class folks who aren't engaged and don't know what to do (or at least their options seem muddled and unclear), and you don't do that by telling them which policies are good and we should really get these policies, but by building mass movements of working people from the ground up, rather than the top down
Hello, Congress? Yes, hello, this is AOC. I would like one rich tax please. Nothing else, I'm good, thanks. Yes, to go.
:chad-trotsky:
No kshama hexbear emotes smdh, who do I @ about this
I don't see how the left doesn't end up permanently splitting or getting subsumed. It's very clear there's a portion of the left that's made up mostly of young people who mainly wanted a cozy subculture to deal with social alienation while they are transitioning to adulthood. Which to be fair was like 90% of the American left over the last few decades and the area wherein staying grassroots and never expecting much is perfectly fine.
But once you start collecting hundreds of millions of dollars on the basis of doing something about healthcare and police brutality and hitch yourself to material needs like an actual political movement that can't last. You're eventually going to get driven toward Lenin whether you like it or not.
can't wait for AOC to clarify that she "doesn't support tankies" then vote yes on the new Communist Control Act of 2024
There will never be enough tankies in the US for people to see them as a threat.
She's not "just one person," in that respect. She has a huge amount of potential power
Wow, we really need to focus our efforts on electoralism then! All we need is to get the right person in who will do the right stuff and they'll fix everything! And the best part is it'll only take like one person to do it, or maybe, like, 5 at most! That's totally doable :bloomer:
Or, maybe she doesn't have the ability to make shadow clones and people are vastly overestimating her power because of internalized liberalism.
Edit: Again.
There's no illusion here in bourgeoise electoralism, the potential power is meant as in, the platform and organizational capacity as a rallying point for the local working class, rather than by wielding the levers of state power. Like Debbs, or kshama's role in getting $15/ tax amazon and her role in local BLM, or what Bernie should have done instead of disappearing, he should have used his position and noteriety to act as a pole for the working class.
I'm not sure how wearing a dress prevents her from doing that, first off. Secondly, I don't see how she's any different than anyone else, except in her access to the levers of state power.
Oh, the dress isn't what's preventing her from doing that, her desire to work within the establishment is, she's the one doing that. You're right, she's not different from anyone else if they happened to haver her position with a national platform. I'm saying that she's bad, because here she is wearing a dress that says "Tax The Rich" but within a year she will fail to ever act towards that goal if not outright act against it, just as we've seen with m4a etc.
To expand: even if you think this dress stunt was actually a good idea for raising awareness or such, she's wearing this dress to one of the richiest parties ever. Maybe if she emblazened tax the rich over all her clothes and wore it to congress every day, always making it a point to discuss it, always forcing it into attention, maybe then it would do something, in the way of just raising familiarity with the concept like how bernie forced the conversation about m4a, MAYBE it would do something then
but instead she gets that glamorous picture of her for articles and girl-boss praise, and the media and every single non-online leftist will forget about it after 2 weeks when something else happens
just as we’ve seen with m4a etc.
Oh god, not Force the Vote again. You people just will not shut up about it. I'm going to be hearing about this incessantly for the next 10 years, aren't I? Christ.
To expand: even if you think this dress stunt was actually a good idea for raising awareness or such,
Actually, I think it was a good idea because it gave terminally online people something to be mad about. Which is what they want, even if they won't admit it. Otherwise they can't post takes and would just be bored. Beyond that, it had no effect on anything and I'd prefer to have no opinion on it, but people keep talking about it so here we are.
Obviously I'm also terminally online as evidenced by the fact that I'm talking about this bullshit.
Yea, I'll never understand those against force the vote. Its activism that would work. Just look at Joe Manchin. What kind of person claims those for genuine activism are "terminally online"? That's clearly the opposite of what what they think "terminally online" and "activism" means. Which is why I cant see those sort as an ali. Its projection and deflection. No change for beneficial progress has ever been made without activism. It was never done by a few hand picked idols. Those against force the vote has only further shown themselves to be complicit with the way things are. The fact that they never provide an alternative that would reach anything of progress, is proof they dont actually care about changing anything.
also NYPD was beating protestors brutally outside the event. https://twitter.com/AshAgony/status/1437542209042198528
