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I want to be optimistic but Russia (thanks to the west & capitalism) seems to have more power concentrated in the capital class than even in the US, IMO. Don't see the oligarchs willingly handing over control without a very bloody fight.
Thinking about that one guy who claimed his sources told him that a USSR 2 would be declared soon.
It's fine to be optimistic, but Russian people I've talked with have such vastly different impressions of what was admirable about the USSR. I should read the survey to see if the researchers accounted for that.
A whole lot of Russian people will say they preferred the USSR for seemingly non-political reasons, like they'll say people worked harder, or the music was better, or people exercised more. A non-insignificant amount will talk about how they liked having a huge military or they'll have brainwormed ideas about Russian national pride.
The optimistic part of me says that once socialism hits America, a lot of our chuds will go through a metamorphosis and support socialism for completely harebrained reasons. The pessimist says that post-Soviet Russia went through some kind of postmodernism speedrun where misinformation and confusion became so rampant that nothing means anything anymore.
I mean, I'd love to go back in time and actually sit some folks in this era down with Soviets from that era. It's not like Khrushchev's USSR was somehow devoid of bad politics. It was still socially regressive, economically underdeveloped, and full of cops. The Soviet Union was a marvel of its era because it transformed a rural backwater state into a technologically advanced continent-spanning superpower through mass mobilization of its people. Not because it was some kind of FALGSC Utopia.
The optimistic part of me says that once socialism hits America, a lot of our chuds will go through a metamorphosis and support socialism for completely harebrained reasons. The pessimist says that post-Soviet Russia went through some kind of postmodernism speedrun where misinformation and confusion became so rampant that nothing means anything anymore.
Meh, at the end of the day, "Its the Economy Stupid". Russians idolized American wealth (or, at least, the appearance of it) and got suckered into become a client state for a few years. Then they rebelled when Yeltsin's promise of supermarkets on every corner failed to materialize and defaulted to Putin as the new Brezhnev.
If Americans ever work themselves up into Doing A Socialism, it'll likely before for similar reasons. America endures a sustained economic downturn overseen by incompetent bureaucrats who lose control in the face of a well-organized Vanguard opposition. The Vanguard imposes new economic rules that reverse the economic collapse, and the new spike in quality of life sets off a virtuous cycle of revolutionary change. Chuds will be along for the ride, because American Lenin brings back the NFL once electricity and running water have been restored. They'll love him because he gave them back their treats.
The pessimist says that post-Soviet Russia went through some kind of postmodernism speedrun where misinformation and confusion became so rampant that nothing means anything anymore.
That's what Yeltsin said he was going for, word for word :corn-man-khrush:
I'd take this result with a grain of salt, just like you would a survey asking Americans what they think of politics and economics. IIRC a lot of affection for the Soviet years in modern Russia isn't due to the government or its policies but a more vague cultural attachment to the sense of cultural/national strength, and the old fashioned cultural norms.
Like, if you see Americans saying "make America great again, like it was in the 50s/60s," they don't mean they want to restore the postwar tax rate and new deal social programs.
they don’t mean they want to restore the postwar tax rate and new deal social programs.
I mean, they might. Tucker's been feeding the American Strasserites after midnight and they've been multiplying. Very possible that they really do yearn for the Jim Crow Era, both because of the social conservatism AND the economic liberalism.
It's also very possible that they are nostalgic for a time when America was the country that Won The Big World War rather than for losing a bunch of little ones.
well the continuous improvement in the approval for state planning is an indication that they mean it, it's not just cultural nostalgia but disillusionment with crapitalism
The crosstabs on this are a little weird at first glance too: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=https://www.levada.ru/2021/09/10/kakoj-dolzhna-byt-rossiya-v-predstavlenii-rossiyan/&prev=search&pto=aue
It's mostly 55+ that want a return to the soviet system, Russian millennials and gen z mostly want western democracy. It makes sense in that the people that experienced the Soviet system have a better view and the people born after probably dont have much to compare it too than some western propoganda or babushka's thoughts. And by mostly, I mean 32% want western democracy vs 30% want soviet (the remainder split by status quo and no preference or something).
Also, for stats nerds and sticklers it was an interview and not an online panel or something. They actually did some real work for this.
It makes sense in that the people that experienced the Soviet system have a better view and the people born after probably dont have much to compare it too than some western propoganda or babushka’s thoughts
It also makes sense to compare these to western boomers - reactionary chuds mostly, probably there is also an element of nostalgia going on. So, IMO such polls on blanket approval make little sense without also exploring the why on these views.
This is consistent with a decades-long trend in polls from other former AES countries, like for instance Germany and Hungary: People who have lived through communism as well as capitalism tends to have a positive view of the former, despite the obvious flaws those societies had.
They tend to hold the legacy of color revolutions on top of this: they want the economic system and multiparty democracy.
No see they are all brainwashed by the Communist government of Vladamir Putin.
and this is just based on the sickos who answer polls :lenin-pogger:
The BBC reported on this by saying that it's only because people can no longer support Navalny which is the biggest :cope: ever lmao
Replacing the nationalist liberal with the communist party sounds perfectly coherent and reasonable. And no, I‘m not inferring that people largely make coherent and reasonable political decisions.
