lmao what was up with that
Hitler was a magical monster man. Not the inevitable outcome of systemic issues, eugenics, imperialism all coalescing unabated.
It's part of the mythos and mythologizing which libs like to do with WW2.
The less wrong side, I would say, because everyone was totally fine with Hitler when they already knew about the pogroms that preceded the holocaust. They all refused to accept jewish refugees.
Well, he was a good public speaker. It's why the Nazi Party chose to make him their speaker.
Also, conservatives, when talking about history will praise Hitler. Sure, they'll say they condemn the holocaust, but they'll say things like "he was a great leader", "he put Germany from a depression to a booming economy" or "he united Germany". Publicly, it's basically "He was the best leader ever, except for that one thing". God knows what they say when they know everyone there is on their side.
I had a white Argentine girl in college tell me her economic beliefs were "basically the same as Hitler"
Which is funny because the alleged Nazi economic boom entirely built on slavery and a completely unsustainable war machine. But whatever.
Was the holocaust not an economic policy to protect capital?
If i may correct you. The economic boom was not built on slavery, the slavery came later. It was built on fraud. Thank you very much. Hjalmar Scacht was a good liberal and knew you needed two things to get an economy going, private investment and infinite money. So he created a bunch of state supported investment scams, most notably MEFO which was a dummy corporation that the reichsbank lent infinite money to. Once they had infinite money he needed investment so he started selling off infrastructure and state owned companies, and used the resulting real revenue to float the scams which transferred their infinite bullshit money into illegal armament production
You know I sure do hate fascism but you gotta admit the nazis had great uniforms
"Hey he built the autobahn at least!!" I've heard this too many fucking times like shit it's so annoying
Well it's either hypnotism or a failure of bourgeois democracy, so they go with the mystical shit
Also the Nazis definitely had super-intelligent super-science, because only evil geniuses could have overthrown a functioning Liberal Democracy. Yep, yep, definitely not seized by a bunch of worm-brained chuds with guns, nope.
The mainstream historiography of the rise of fascism is fucked, treating fascists as an aberration that tarnishes the pure of morality of the Europeans while completely erasing the struggle of communism to stop fascism from even rising in the first place.
And funny how that historiography never ever mentions how deeply corporations and the rich were involved in those fascist regimes. I'm coming around to seeing Hitler as an agent of capital more than anything else.
There was a brief beautiful moment in Weimar Germany where pedophile rights and acceptance were on a level similar to the modern day, the nazis ruined that.
"before Hitler would give a speech, the speakers would play a static noise, and then they'd turn it off when he started talking, do he sounded even louder and clearer" and "I attended a speech just to witness it, but by the end, I was standing and cheering with everyone else" ah yes as it Hitler invented oratory
the person in that quote in 1933: "You know I just don't see the appeal in that Hitler guy"
Hitler: "let's kill all the gays, Jews, and communists"
whole crowd erupts in applause, simply because of the oratory skills on display
“I attended a speech just to witness it, but by the end, I was standing and cheering with everyone else”
haha very cool please kneel down in front of the wall :stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2:
ah yes as it Hitler invented oratory
No 🙄 But the Nazis and other fascists, especially Mussolini, had a certain entrepreneurial spirit regarding the emerging field of pr. They did focus tests, had warm ups before the "leader" appeared. Fascist rallies did not appear to be more entertaining and emergetic by accident
Its to ignore the fact that Europe and the USA created the conditions for him to rise. It's also to sow distrust in populist speakers that have charisma.
Westerners like to act as if powerful politicians just fall out of the sky a few minutes before they run for office- like how Biden's history of funding credit card companies is just totally forgotten even though he's responsible for how America's economy currently works. It's like we live in an eternal Now, no past and no future.
As best I understand it, "Hitler brainwashed those good ol' German boys" was explicitly pushed by the US government during the war.
The Japanese never got that curtsey though...
Fidel was such a good speaker
I actually find Fidel pretty hard to listen to lol
Allende and Che were really good at speeches though
Just American automobile companies spamming Europe with copies of The International Jew, what's not to love?
Feels like Trump can spellbind the hogs better than Hitler could.
History book in 50 years: "President Trump's captivating oratory abilities were unmatched in this period. [block quote of Trump talking about hair spray and Anna Wintour]"
Aliens picking through the rubble of our civilization are going to find my Trump rants and think they were real lol
It seems less like Trump was more skilled and more like his audience was more... credulous.
fun fact
there is only one Hitler recording of him speaking "normal" in it he is simping about the Red Army
one of the very few recordings in which Hitler may be heard delivering a narrative without raising his voice
lmao
you can really hear his Austrian accent in this, and I struggle to take anyone speaking with an Austrian accent seriously
Mannerheim's bizarre accent is weirder.
Lots of people forget that Finland was a minor Axis power. Complete with ethnic cleansing and their own concentration camps.
Is this the time he hopped on a plane to wish Mannerheim a happy birthday
Edit: it is
30,000 workers he said working in a single shift, 60,000 workers per day in a single tank factory.
Great Man Theory dovetails nicely with never having to analyze the actual power struggles.
Not in so many words, but yeah I do remember overemphasis on his public speaking ability now that you mention it. Like he did put a lot of energy into his speeches but lmao at the thought that he just passed a big Speech check on the German populace.
[Sneering Imperialist] You know, I think we could do with some more living space.
It's used to explain away how he succeeded without going into the Bad Facts To Avoid like the German industrialists and capitalist class bankrolled him and the party into power etc., because god forbid we understand how fascism actually propagates
This is George Lucas's biggest misunderstanding of how a Liberal "Democracy" falls to Fascism. It has nothing to do with the Republic allowing corporations to get so powerful they can seize entire planets and start a corporate secession, nope, it's just a Hitler with hypnotizing dark magic.
But Lucas did do the first part. Palpatine gets nowhere without the Trade Federation and the like
They are definitely there, although the relationship is between Palpatine and the secessionists is wrong..? Like, the secessionists are the patsies rather than the benefactors of Palpatine's machinations.
tbh, as I've become more left, I have appreciated the prequels a bit more, even if they are imperfect. Droid slave rebellion when tho. I'd play in that Edge of the Empire campaign, though I couldn't run it. Recent traumas have left me having panic attacks before, during, and after GMing. :/
They are still the benefactor though. Palpatine is manipulating them into a war that he was rigged against them, but it doesn't change that their influence and wealth provided the perfect means for him to trigger a war that destructive, as well as one born out of a situation that would make people ok with a stronger government.
Plagueis did some incredible stuff with the sith playing these companies and like getting Gunray entirely under their thumb so the Trade Federation would bankroll the plan no questions asked. Palpatine has private wealth, but nothing that could fun an army let alone multiple. The corporate interests having more control than anyone and being above the law was not Palpatine's doing, it was just the Republic's cardinal sin. He set those interests up to think they had someone who would ensure their victory if they seceded, but they fully believed they where the benefactors of Dooku and Sidious' machinations. They just didn't know that one little tiny detail......that Sidious was Palpatine.
Also sorry to hear that about GMing
in addition to what you were taught, my teachers told me Jews faced antisemitism throughout European history because they killed Jesus
I think this is actually kinda important to do, to highlight the banality of evil, and that Hitler wasn't some magical demon, but just a human, and thus that a normal human could be capable of all that evil shit.
I swear my world religions professor was antisemitic. He said Jewish people were hated because they thought of themselves as chosen by God and thus better than other people.
