Go organize a people’s revolution in your own fucking country and get back to me when you’ve speed-run communism, liberal.
I still remember someone in here saying that they are glad people are associating socialism with non problematic countries like Switzerland, Scandinavia and UK instead of authoritarian countries like Cuba and China.
here? that was normal on our :reddit-logo: page but i thought we were better than that by now
It wasn't a baby leftist either. It's a long time user, on a new account, who also previously said that it's OK for the meaning of socialism to be muddled when it comes to the US.
nonproblematic
hey, Switzerland, that's a funny symbol you got on your 1940s era gold...
Noted nonproblematic places Switzerland and Scandinavia who never collaborated with any problematic people. :big-cool:
hmm I wonder what all those countries they like have in common? 🤔
Anyway, we need to radicalize more libs. I’ll happily help bully them out of their chauvinist brainworms.
hmm I wonder what all those countries they like have in common? 🤔
:lmayo:
You couldn't even pick a good topic to wreck with lmao.
The UK alone has been absolutely horrific to LGBT people even throughout that timeframe. They basically killed one of their most famous computer scientists for being homosexual.
They still want to have market forces playing a role in the economy so take that as you will
markets = capitalism is literal capitalist propaganda, I'm not sure what your point is
I'm not saying that they are, mostly just pointing out the obvious
Tbh, market forces are still gonna be a massive force by the end of this century, just not necessarily in the same hands (USA). So yeah.
Isn't 2050 the CPC's deadline for the third stage in Deng's theories for the construction of a socialist society? Idk maybe I've been misreading Xi, but is 2050 not the goal? http://english.www.gov.cn/news/topnews/202107/01/content_WS60ddd47ec6d0df57f98dc472.html
Absolutely. But people misinterpret it as "China will be Communist by 2050" and they've never pretended that's what that target is.
They hold that China is currently in the primary stage of socialism, so rather than socialism by 2050, it's the next stage of socialism by 2050.
no, technically they are claiming that china is already socialist
because it's a common idea in western left that china is going to become socialist by 2050
Yes, that's a common misunderstanding by people who are too lazy to investigate what the CPC has said. Is that why you brought it up?
"China and Vietnam have had to implement liberal reforms!"
“Oh, damn, because those completely isolated, self-sustained countries that exist in a vacuum just felt like liberalizing, or?”
Funny thing is that there is a very big amount of demsocs/libsocs/whateversocs that does have nuance towards Vietnam , supports it and considers it a socialist project but refuses to do so for China ,flat out rejecting it . They literally have the same system and if anything China was less liberalized, kept more party power over capital and shows better signs/trends of their ability and willingness to transition to a socialist economy
:cia: funding isn’t focused on Vietnam right now.
Also shitting on China lets them get away with sinophobia and racism, which they love.
Is it working? I know Vietnam has been getting closer with China lately due to B&R stuff.
A little bit, but the history between Vietnam and China has been turbulent, to say the least, so repairing those damages is taking time
There is no good reason to privatize healthcare though, and your arguments for it are going to be the exact same libs use in the US
There is when you’re a developing nation and don’t have enough money yet to fully fund the rising cost of healthcare while being crunched economically by the neoliberal markets you have to trade with.
Paper on Vietnam’s public / private system. Written by the ghouls of the world bank, so you need to pay attention to their bias and how they talk about “market opportunities”.
Were there other ways to approach this? Yes, sure. Expecting a country exploited by the imperial core to have the same amount of wealth and resources as the imperial core isn’t particularly realistic, however.
Money isn't summoned from the ether when you privatize something. The people are still paying the cost of the healthcare. An investor needs a return on their investment, and will extract this from the consumer, I.e. the sick.
An investor needs a return on their investment
Yes, of course, that’s the greed drive they’re using to pull in money. It’s the same trade off made when labor is exploited in underpaid factories and sweatshops.
With that said, socialized health insurance is the main public financing method for healthcare in Vietnam, with 87 percent of the population currently covered. There are out of pocket costs, but the Vietnamese government picks up the majority of the tab.
The country also has a publicly owned and funded hospital system, although it allows for private hospitals as well. Those are primarily visited by the wealthy, which takes pressure off of their public hospitals.
After seeing their own medical systems overloaded and collapsing during covid, I would hope most westerners would better understand the affects that come from limited resources.
Another article with data outlining Vietnam’s healthcare system. Again, this is written for the investors Vietnam is hoping to attract to build infrastructure and put money into their economy. Look at how much reassurance they make about Vietnam’s system being open to private public partnerships (PPP lol). The capitalists do not view it as a captured market.
Vietnam is functioning in a world currently dominated by neoliberalism and “socialism in one country” failed. Developing productive forces seems to be the most promising strategy for building socialism at the macro level so far.
It’s in-line with the strategy Deng took in China. Is it perfect or ideal? No, but it is responding to the conditions they are encountering. Hopefully it continues to improve.
Cuba has a ton of domestic production of medical supplies. China is still stuck importing a lot of stuff, but that's rapidly changing. As domestic production of medical supplies ramps up it'll be easier to transition to a free system as opposed to the one they have now.
Here's a look at their domestic medical sector compared to other countries
Vietnam? I haven't heard about China doing anything but expanding coverage
Yes, Vietnam. Although China got rid of a lot of good health initiatives after the end of the cultural revolution like the barefoot doctors. (Although their legacy lives on in the many people trained by the program) and switched to a market based system which they eventually had to reform in the early 2000s because it was a shit show in favor of their pseudo public pseudo private system they now have that I don't understand at all.
I still think there's room for critique, but yeah, most people just want perfection from foreigners or they're not "real communists."
There is left criticisms of AES, but there is absolutely no current left alternative in replacing these imperfect Socialist States, so I absolutely support them against Western Imperialism. That is the problem I have with Western Leftists, they think there's a bunch of anarchists/demsocs just waiting to take power when these States fall. The DSA has it written in their website that they celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall, they thought it was their time to lead some sort of Democratic path to Socialism, but atleast they admit the opposite happened, Neoliberalism and far right politics dominated.
MLMs in China are going to unseat the most powerful Communist Party ever any day now. Chinese people totally give a shit about He who is the Light, Our Lord and Savior Chairman Gonzalo, PBUH.
The DSA has it written in their website that they celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall
So dumb. Jesus Christ, indistinguishable from liberals.
but atleast they admit the opposite happened, Neoliberalism and far right politics dominated.
At least they admit this, better than a lot of "dem-socs" in the west.
i can not tell which is dumber, the post text or the post title
e: I have concluded it is :bait:
I've been :che-poggers: ing (I think) every country that opposes the US. It's that simple.
