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  • princeofsin [he/him]
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    CIA, the most open intelligence agency in the world, wants to be recognized as an org of high caliber and culturally diverse people who achieve technical and analytic excellence and operational effectiveness in fulfilling their mission with integrity and the trust of the American people.

    :michael-laugh:

    Initiate in the near-term the declassification of historical materials on specific events, particularly those which are repeatedly the subject of false allegations, such as the 1948 Italian Elections, 1953 Iranian Coup, 1954 Guatemalan Coup...

    Wtf is this shit :gulag:

    PAO now has relationships with reporters fro every major wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation. THis has helped us turn some "intelligence failure" stories into "intelligence success" stories, and it has contributed to the accuracy of countless others...

    What happened to the "free press"?

    In many instances, we have persuaded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories...

    :what-the-hell:

      • princeofsin [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yea i don't get it either. These people actively cause harm around the world and somehow are denying their actions. Like what is the end game here?

        • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          It's a limited hangout, usually. When it's clear to everyone they're involved, they admit part of it so they can deny the rest. Then later on it gets revealed they did all of it, but libs say "that was a long time ago, they've changed". Rinse, repeat.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      What happened to the “free press”?

      :astronaut-1: Never has been. Same with "free speech".

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      repeatedly the subject of false allegations, such as the 1948 Italian Elections, 1953 Iranian Coup, 1954 Guatemalan Coup

      ...is it not proven fact that they did all three of those?

      • princeofsin [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.

        https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days

        So even in their declassified docs they are lying

    • FatOtisTheBear [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I can tell they have had people inside reuters and AP for the past few years. The reporting has changed dramatically.

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Pretty sure AP and Reuters have been stuffed with intelligence agents for a long time. It's a matter of public record for Reuters at least.

  • s0ykaf [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    i've never really understood this declassification thing

    why do they do it? i mean, i know the law is the law, but they could just lie and/or hide the documents since they're literally the CIA

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      Feeds the narrative that anything bad and abusive was in the past, that things are getting better always and that its irrational to oppose the state nowadays for things in the past.

      Also feeds into the bullshit about the west being "honest" and "open" with secrets, to compare to the mean scary commies who wont let the west in to see everything everywhere.

      People do unironically believe that things universally and automatically are less bad if you are "honest and open" about it, this is why people act like its irrational to get on the US's case for cold war shit or even more recent like Abu Ghraib, but will keep hammering on the bullshit "Tiananmen Square Massacre" because they think its more evil to not be "honest" about it. Plus of course all the propaganda against China and all the propaganda that tries to diminish US abuses contributes too, but this is something that is a big part of this mentality.

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        They're... not even honest and open. They declassify things after they can no longer hurt them, or when forced to, then they only declassify part of the truth, etc. It's all limited hangouts, they're not volunteering more information than they need to to make themselves look "open".

        Also, as others point out, no one cares. People think these are conspiracy theories. And, to cap it all off, not only would the capitalist press never really spotlight most of it, but they're also literally in the agency's pocket as seen here. This shit does not exist to the average person, declassified or not, because there's no real focus on it in media.

        • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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          3 years ago

          I mean yeah, but when forcefully faced with this and if they dont just discard it as "conspiracy theories" many people will take the declassification as a sign of progress and liberty and truth and all that.

          Its a whole buncha different layers to keep people from actually understanding and grasping the political and historical realities.

          • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Yeah, exactly.

            :agony-soviet: Americans are the most propagandized people on earth. :amerikkka-clap:

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        will keep hammering on the bullshit “Tiananmen Square Massacre” because they think its more evil to not be “honest” about it

        burns me that they say this even though the Chinese government has never denied the actual events of the day, just the western narrative, and even released a report about the June 4th incident

      • FailureToLaunch [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah I was gonna say this. I've been called a conspiracy theorist by people for referencing events that are described in detail in documents just like this

        Kinda boggles my mind but people just dont care lmao

        • s0ykaf [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          so in truth the reason why they feel free to release these documents is they know it's gonna amount to absolutely nothing

          it's like an abusive relationship where the truth is right there in front of your eyes, but you still refuse to believe it because of whatever notions were created in your head by the abuser

          some fucking scary shit when you think about it

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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            3 years ago

            "Wow so everything is CIA propaganda and we shouldn't believe it, lmao paranoid tankie"

            "Bro why are you citing the CIA. lmao hypocritical tankie"

            • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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              It's so fucking hard for people to understand the concept of "bias", for some reason. Sources have bias - when they lie or misrepresent, they usually do it for rational reasons.

              • CIA says something that makes them look good - good chance it's a lie or a misrepresentation of the truth.

              • CIA says something that makes them look bad - almost certain it's the truth, good chance it's a limited hangout.

    • read_freire [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      as mentioned tangentially in the replies, this is what's called a limited hangout

      pretty sure there's solid circumstantial evidence that the CIA's got a much deeper relationship w/ some media than just inviting them to langley to hear about some unclassified stuff, or being cozy w/ reporters that'll uncritically regurgitate the spin

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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        3 years ago

        This paper opens with them defining the limited hangout. This is the paper that enshrined the modern limited hangout into agency policy.

        • read_freire [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Oh good point.

          Making your doc detailing limited hangouts itself a limited hangout

  • crime [she/her, any]
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    3 years ago

    Anyone got a TL;DR for an ADHD comrade off her meds? :stalin-heart:

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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      3 years ago

      Hilariously enough, the CIA provides one on page 5

      PAO now has relationships with reporters from every major wire serivce, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation. This has helped us turn some "intelligence failure" stories into "intelligence success" stories. In many instances, we have persauded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversly affected national security interrests or jeopardized sources and methods

      • crime [she/her, any]
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        3 years ago

        :agony: I hate that they can come right out and say it and the response is a collective shrug if anyone either bothers to acknowledge it

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
    hexagon
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    3 years ago

    It will be important to get the Hill on board with the Agency's public position on various issues and to articulate the overrall Agency strategy to Congress to honor your commitment to openness

    Hmmm, I wonder how they got the Hill on board :epstein:

    • ComradeKingfisher [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      https://www.cia.gov/about/organization/public-affairs/

      The Office of Public Affairs (OPA) is the voice of the CIA. OPA oversees Agency communications with the media, the public, and CIA’s workforce.

      Press and Media Inquiries

      OPA’s Media Relations Team handles all media requests. They strive to be accessible and responsive while protecting classified information and sources.

      The Media Relations Team reads every letter, fax, and email they receive. While unable to respond to every inquiry, they’ll direct comments to CIA officials outside of OPA when appropriate.

      Entertainment Inquiries

      CIA is often featured in books, motion pictures, documentaries, and other creative ventures. Actors, directors, authors, and more work with OPA to better understand CIA’s intelligence mission. By maintaining these relationships, OPA strives to provide an accurate portrayal of the people of CIA, their skills, and their commitment to public service.

      To achieve this goal, OPA’s Entertainment Industry Liaison works with creatives to make their scripts, stories, and other products as authentic as possible. The Entertainment Industry Liaison can help by:

      • Arranging interviews at CIA Headquarters

      • Providing stock footage of CIA’s compound

      • Debunking myths

      • Coordinating onsite filming in special cases

      • Answering questions

      Public Communications

      OPA’s Public Communications Staff manages external communications with the general public. This includes managing CIA.gov and CIA’s social media, conducting outreach and events, and responding to public inquiries

  • RandyLahey [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    i dunno much about internet security stuff but it seems like opening this directly from the cia website is a really good way to get your ip on a list

    of course for most of us its a list of extra good employees taking the initiative to learn more about the history of our fine organisation