im sure you guys follow people who recently started to mindlessly drool over the tweets from bad actors like simon tesfamariam also.

the whole imperialist angle is dogshit too. 18 months ago ethiopia was a western darling since they privatized the economy and detatched from the massively pro-china tplf. there is no imperialist onslaught here. also, eritrea under afwerki have invaded all their neighbours and hosted military bases for UAE in their genocidal war on the zaidis. yeah, they're fucking buried in the sanction scheme. guess what? when you keep your soldiers as slaves and refuse to even pretend to hold elections for 20 years, you will get sanctioned without any ulterior motives. also somewhat bizarre to hear Puryear try to mention development metrics that are better than some warzone countries in central africa when eritrea on the other hand have the lowest information infrastructure in the world (probably intentionally so).

  • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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    bonus post: fuck these inhuman ghouls.

    dont let yourself believe that this is anything akin to latin america or syria. this is purely a contrarian bullshit narrative that sprung to life the second ethiopia received pushback for their genocidal war on tigray. there must be fucking money involved. these people are not that stupid

    also its known that ethiopia have a well-developed trollfarm system. and both them and eritrea have have an unusual strong influence over the diaspora. so be a bit critical when navigating this topic

    • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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      first on the tigray war itself.

      eth high brass calling for genocide: https://twitter.com/hayet_alem/status/1438480789684080647

      economic extermination policy: https://mobile.twitter.com/tghatmedia/status/1435742307790299144

      genocidal warfare: https://twitter.com/mapethiopia/status/1370761276289343490?lang=ca

      aid suppression: https://reliefweb.int/report/ethiopia/statement-acting-humanitarian-coordinator-ethiopia-grant-leaity-operational

      use this tool (set the parameters) to see that there is no political allignment at all by tplf and the west: https://dataviz.yiqinfu.com/unview/

      on eritrea:

      simon tesfamariam is a bad actor tied to the state: https://medium.com/dfrlab/eritrean-report-uses-fact-checking-tropes-to-dismiss-evidence-as-disinformation-385718327481

      im not sure if anyone in the tankosphere have written critique on eritrea.. have to consider mainstream sources

      a pretty big diasporic site uphold the state dep version, not sure how much is bs but worth a read i guess? alot of this is common knowledge you'd find elsewhere as well...: https://www.asmarino.com/press-releases/1728-eritrea-human-rights-report-2012d

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        https://dataviz.yiqinfu.com/unview/ is pretty neat, very funny how western countries votes (Especially U.S and Israel) have very low agreement with non-western countries.

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Yeah this, the Ethiopia orientalism/worship by the west, and the praise for the proto-dictatorship that is the DRC, it sucks. Don't believe it.

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      sorry, are you referring to people praising Tshisekedi? I havent seen that at all

      he stole the elections from fayulu but have also plied kabila from power, and made moves to improve mining royalties which is due to a bit of positive feedback. the reorientation towards the US is sus but I dont sense what you describe here

        • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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          Oh yeah there's some identity weaponization in american propaganda around african leaders. Kagame is such a good example of this. Cause 6 million congolese deaths and become worshipped.. Why OP is so crucial to correct imo is because of this. the same propaganda mechanization would have people glorify abiy ahmad as the great liberaliser and peace-builder in the region. which he was until he started the war and got the propaganda apparatus to make a 180 flip. Im not sure how to articulate it, but I think we can see something of the same around eritrea? There was that weird pro-eritrea countercurrent surrounding nipsey husle hanging out with that dictator. interestingly, thats how we got the same simon tesfamariam as linked above going onto the breakfast club and perculate this faux-anti-imperialist messaging to afro-american mainstream culture - with puryear there aswell!

  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    This reminds me of when some of the people of genzedong try to potrait Putin as good just because russia is allied to china

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        Eh. Modern Russia just looks like Neoliberalism From Moscow. The military's actions in neighboring states suggest they're more than happy to do genocides should it suit them.

        I've heard all sorts of takes on China that pull me one way or another. But nothing I've heard about Russia since the Yeltsin Admin makes them look anything but bad.

  • LibsEatPoop3 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I’ve been getting some weird vibes from BT News for a while now.

  • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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    invaded? that's what we're gonna call the 1998 war? :doubt: eritrea is doing siege socialism so still critical support, sure the military conscription and lack of leadership renewal are dogshit but until recently there were real threats to their territory integrity (which also explains the somali affair and the djibouti tensions). the TPLF is also a bad actor because it stoked sectarianism when it was in power and wielded disproportionate military power, the best would be tigray autonmy/independence but barring that the UN needs to be involved, no shit Eritrea tries to keep a mortal enemy at bay and is shoring up an ally if there is no one else to do it and no other regional allies

    • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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      i guess this is akin to the rationale behind all this.

      you have to make some pretty impressive logic leaps to call the djibouti invasion a response to "threats to territorial integrity". same for calling them siege socialist. almost every state does a little bit developmentalism in or outside a agrarian subsistence economy. crazy that stalinesque national autonomism is bad when orientals do it! smells like a paper thin cope to avoid dealing with propagandification at home

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        i wouldn't call it an invasion, since it was just a hilltop, but yeah isolated actors are not always the most rational. The issue with the tplf was always that they tried to dominate other ethiopian regions, not their autonomy. but I am not sure i got the second part of your comment tbh

        • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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          to make a bit of a pointed remark; one can pretty much convince ultratankies to support any horrific non-western dictatorship. almost every state does some kind of developmentalism, and by selectively presenting this you can claim critical support for building siege socialism in any state.. we've probably seen the same propaganda, you know, "eritrean state does some irrigation project", "eritrean state sends slave soldiers to build water retention walls on hilltops". so on and so forth. the last bit in my comment was about needing to deal with the fact (?) that our infosphere is being used for malicious propaganda purposes. this is different from propaganda in defense of evo morales or in defense of syria under attack. need to be dealt with instead of excusing it by this reaching

          • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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            man I know Eritrea is not a worker paradise, I look at facts and potential, ie they do have a very large state ownership and a lot of tools that would be very useful for developping socialism, even the idea of slotting people into government jobs isn't bad in and of itself. Even China isn' what we want now, we're all looking for their 2050 agenda, and eritrea is barely out of siege. If the president finally changes and the conscription system is reigned, which gets likelier as the situation stabilizes, we couldvery well see a new addition to the very short list of Actually Cool and Good Nations

              • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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                so you say, we'll see but if the party is strong enough he won't be able to make any demand

                • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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                  i didnt say personal dictatorship purely as polemics. there's no party. they all got the wall after the charter movement and the war. its been 20 years since that and .. nothing

                  • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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                    again it was siege socialism until fairly recently and even now there are clear regional instabilities, once it dies down we'll see what the leadership actually looks like, if he stays in then i'll have to agree with you, the action from the tlpf undermined any peaceful transition of power though, like it undermined cohabitation in ethiopia

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    Not sure I'd trust a random Hexbear user more than people who at least don't seem to be mouthpieces for the US government. North Korea has good relations with Eritrea, and Eritrea seems to be siding with the Ethiopian government. Doesn't really matter if the Ethiopian government has been cozy with the US in the past. It seems like another pseudo-proxy-war in Africa where the more violence there is the worse off everyone but western governments are. Eritrea obviously isn't a western puppet government, so I wouldn't support anything that weakens them although they're not a central entity in this from what I gather . But there is obviously a propaganda war going on right now. Anyways, I'd rather side with literally anyone other than the US government and I don't support US sanctions under any circumstances. If anything, western governments just want to extract concessions from governments and make them beg. And it was the TPLF that broke the last ceasefire (although under certain circumstances there could be reasons someone would do that).

    when you keep your soldiers as slaves and refuse to even pretend to hold elections for 20 years, you will get sanctioned without any ulterior motives

    Pretty big red flag in your post considering the US never sanctions anyone without ulterior motives.

    But yeah, it's obviously more complicated than Ethiopia and Eritrea being the objective good guys. But I don't know. The propaganda war is intense enough that it seems impossible to figure out who's backing who, not even sure if governments themselves know.

    I'll probably just support whatever China is doing lol. They want to have Ethiopia firmly in their camp I guess. But like I said, it's another thing where every big country is trying to figure out how to come out on top.

    • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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      people who at least don’t seem to be mouthpieces for the US government

      trusting these people based on this is just ridiculously dangerous and the crux of all my cybercrusades. please reconsider this logic

      North Korea has good relations with Eritrea, and Eritrea seems to be siding with the Ethiopian government

      north korea is good with most global south countries, not an argument. north korea isnt authoritative on this shit either. at all. eritrea was viciously opposed to ethiopia gov last 20 years, even tough meles zenawi was afwerkis cousin. does this mean anything?

      I don’t really see how the TPLF is the good guys in this anyways.

      tigray is subject to a genocidal war. its that simple. but yes tplf militias play dirty and its not proportionally represented in western media. OP isnt a remedy for that though.

      It seems like another pseudo-proxy-war in Africa where the more violence there is the worse off everyone but western governments are.

      this has nothing to do with imperialism. abiy ahmed was a western favourity. thats why this thing is so perverse. everybody jumped ship the second he decided to start a war. that the west benefit here is is just a bullshit rhetoric. if anything, egypt benefits. egypt always but especially led by a junta is a problem for israel and global shipping. holding leverage over egypt is actually an insanely understated centerpiece in global capitalism.

      I’d rather side with literally anyone other than the US government .. Pretty big red flag in your post considering the US never sanctions anyone without ulterior motives.

      do i have to quote dril on isis support here, or what? * saying the US is involved in a way just leads you completely astray. this is just the UN-human-rights world-system operating. you're completely wrong to say the US never sanction without ulterior motive. it can and is often abused but you're really out of your depth if you think that there's always something under it. this is the type of ultraconspiratorial complete-detached-from-reality type of thinking that got us stuck in this shit. you're left supporting a slave state personal dictatorship and a genocidal war because the tiny, insignificant pushback to that by definition must be a bigger evil. cmon, something got wrong on the way here!

  • Afarman [none/use name]
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    Pretty much every side involved in the conflict here is responsible for many horrible civilian casualties and likely even war crimes. The central government is known to lack the capacity to truly control paramilitary forces and militias from the regions bordering the Tigray region, which makes this into a recipe for disaster and collateral damage. The TPLF, which has a terrible reputation throughout the Horn of Africa, is also forcing child soldiers to fight for them as fodder in the front lines against the Ethiopian central government forces and in the TPLF’s invasions of the Afar and Amhara regions. All sides have their online activists and the TPLF has its own troll farm to make sensationalists claims and spread disinformation while calling for western intervention in a civil war that the TPLF had started as the former ruling party seizes parts of the Afar and Amhara regions as part of their violent irredentist campaign that has been accused of engaging in ethnic cleansing.

    The pro-TPLF account (@hayet_alem) that was linked misrepresented the video of the Ethiopian advisor by falsely claiming that he was referring to all Tigrayans when he was instead referring to TPLF rebel forces. From the video itself that the pro-TPLF account posted which actually contradicts the TPLF accusation (although it's still pretty cringeworthy imo):

    These people (referring to Tigray ruling party and Tigray forces) and their likes shouldn’t be repeated. They should be known as the last of their kind.

    The official acknowledged that his speech reflected his own personal feelings and was about the TPLF party itself which he had compared to the “devil”, although it would have helped to not have used incendiary speech that could be deliberately misrepresented even when he was referring to the rebel party he considered to be a terrorist group. Despite what pro-TPLF propaganda and their online bot armies would like to suggest, the TPLF has never represented all Tigrayans. Tigrayan opposition against the TPLF party has always existed in Tigray despite their history of repression.

    While it’s true that the TPLF-dominated Ethiopian government was pro-China (as is the current government), they were also considered one of the greatest allies of US foreign policy in Africa. The TPLF-led government even invaded Somalia at the behest of the US government and made Ethiopia one of the largest recipients of US foreign aid. Meanwhile, the new Abiy-led government has been in a hostile conflict with Egypt, a key US ally. This metric that was referenced is a deeply flawed method of measuring foreign policy alignment as both Egypt and Saudi Arabia are also considered critical allies in US foreign policy and actually score lower on this metric than TPLF-led Ethiopia.

    The Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia was founded on the principles of ethnic federalism under the belief that it could help establish equality for all ethnic groups in Ethiopia, but this system quickly devolved into what was in practice a repressive ethnocracy dominated by the TPLF, where public office assignment was very often allocated based on ethnic-based political affiliation favorable to the TPLF rather than merit. So despite creating a strong state-led economy that averaged annual growth rates of nearly 10% for over a decade, this economic growth was not inclusive and overwhelmingly favored corrupt TPLF-aligned officials and their cronies. This and a long history of discrimination led to a lot of resentment and wide-spread anti-government protests from other regions in Ethiopia and this political opposition to TPLF dominance and corruption was met with political persecution and even violent repression. The TPLF-led government would often try to play other ethnic groups and regions against each other to try to maintain their power over the country.

    Under years of immense anti-government pressure, there was a transition of enough political power away from TPLF leaders in 2018 that resulted in Abiy Ahmed becoming Prime Minister, who led the transition away from the TPLF’s ethnocracy in Ethiopia. He won the 2019 Nobel Peace Prize for helping to end a costly territorial stalemate with Eritrea. This move by Abiy angered the TPLF which had a territorial dispute with Eritrea and destroyed their irredentist efforts to further expand the Tigray region’s territory. Abiy also enraged the former ruling party by freeing hundreds of political prisoners that had been imprisoned because of their open opposition to TPLF policies. As Abiy tried to reduce the TPLF’s disproportionate power in an effort to increase representation of ethnic groups that had been marginalized in Ethiopia under the TPLF, he also tried to hold TPLF leaders accountable for their crimes under their EPRDF regime. With the loss of their disproportionate political and economic privileges that they had enjoyed for decades, the TPLF leadership responded by trying to sabotage the new government. When Abiy made a controversial decision to postpone national and region elections due to the pandemic, the TPLF leaders seized the opportunity to hold regional elections anyway and declare Abiy’s actions illegitimate. Abiy responded by redirecting funding away from the higher levels of the regional government that were controlled by the TPLF to the lower level ranks less affiliated with the TPLF in Tigray in an attempt to weaken the TPLF. TPLF military forces then started a civil war with their attacks on the central government military.

    Atrocities are occurring on both sides, which is what Breakthrough news has also acknowledged. Both sides accuse the other of obstructing international aid, but even American officials have acknowledged that the TPLF was raiding international aid warehouses, looting aid trucks, and were causing destruction in every village that they had visited. According to the head of the USAID mission in Ethiopia, food support was provided to about 5 million people in the Tigray, Amhara, and Afar regions. Only the TPLF activists are continually calling for western/US invasion in the region.

    A wave of privatization occurred in the earlier years of the TPLF-led Ethiopian government while they still managed to retain public control over much of the commanding heights of the economy. Not much is significantly changing from this economic model under Ahmed other than some partial privatizations of some state-owned industries to obtain foreign exchange reserves while the government still plans to maintain majority public control over the industries that make up the commanding heights. Abiy Ahmed’s government canceled a proposal to partially privatize the government’s airline, but they are going through with partially privatizing the government’s monopoly on the sugar industry and are also partially privatizing the government’s Ethio telecom by offering 2 telecoms licenses and a 40% stake in the state-owned enterprise, which will still be majority-owned by the government.

    While the economic achievements by Eritrea’s state-led economic model that Eugene mentioned are true, the government of Eritrea, since achieving independence after years of fighting, unfortunately can also still be very repressive and paranoid. Citing the instability caused by border wars and ongoing territorial conflicts with Ethiopia/having up to 1/5 of their land under occupation, Eritrea’s national government repeatedly postponed national direct elections and even postponed implementing their new constitution after ratifying it. They do, however, still maintain some semblance of representative democracy at the regional and local government level with regular local and regional elections. Eritrea has mandatory national service for their population, which was established to help in the reconstruction effort of the country after years of war for independence. It consisted of about 6 months of military service and a year of working on government development projects. The official 18 month service limit then became extended indefinitely for many Eritreans though as a result of the 1998-2000 border war that dragged on with continued fierce territorial disputes with a TPLF-led Ethiopian government that was backing violent rebel groups in Eritrea despite the ceasefire. There is hope now that with the recent peace deal with Ethiopia that was signed by Abiy Ahmed that indefinite national service, where the government continues to pay your salary after being assigned to a civilian job or continued military work, could end, but the current Tigray conflict may end up postponing this as they share a long border. Eritrean forces are also probably responsible for at least some civilian casualties in the Tigray conflict, as are the TPLF, which had been executing Eritrean refugees who had wanted to leave camp to look for food and those who had lost a battle to the EDF. The current Abiy-led government also still hasn’t fully implanted the peace deal yet. According to Eritrea's Ministry of Information in July 2020:

    Two years after the signing of the Peace Agreement, Ethiopian troops continue to be present in our sovereign territories, Trade and economic ties of both countries have not resumed to the desired extent or scale.

    • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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      thank you for this at times valuable correction to my posts. Listen, I'd love nothing more to be wrong here. That last reuters link is hopeful. But I gotta say some of this reads like pure shilling, dude. Downplay abiys liberalisation and try to salvage the argument for political participation in Eritrea? that's a doubter. Also TPLF sucking up all wealth is a bit overstated. Development metrics but them better off than some regions, but its gambela and the capital region that really benefit while the ogaden got left in the murk. Also, Abiy is not a democratizer. That election is horseshit, and he only got the driver's wheel by intra-statal fanctionalism. Zero democracy there, period. Are you from Afar? If you have more intimate knowledge here Im all game! Absolutely hit me up.