I'm not saying you're wrong, but what exactly can any of us do to help the average Palestinian? Would not supporting the John Deere strike somehow free up revolutionary resources that could be spent helping non-western workers?
Pointing out that the western left spends more time helping western workers who are massively privileged on a global scale is a completely banal and meaningless point. Building up a "western left" (which, let's be clear, does not fucking exist outside of fringe forums like this one) will require building leftist politics off the back of western issues, and the process of doing that will improve the lot of western workers before it improves the lot of anybody else.
What happens if the US collapses under its own contradictions and there isn't a labor movement that can take on whatever hyperreaction comes from the ashes?
I think they're two different conversations, but given that until communism wins there are going to be senators anyway, I think we should take the Menshevik Bernie over whatever psycho libertarian would come out of Vermont in his stead.
Succdems are a net positive, though. They're not enough, not by a fucking longshot, but they're obviously a net positive. Standing up to domestic capital is better than not standing up to capital at all. Succdems having more power would have positive material benefits, even if it wouldn't solve the unfathomable suffering caused by imperialism. For example, it would be better to have universal healthcare but otherwise the status quo than just the status fucking quo. There's nothing westerncentric about recognizing that and simultaneously continuing to demand an end to capitalism and imperialism entirely.
I mean, it would help to be consistently against imperialism and imperialists, but then he couldnt "work within the system" or whatever so I guess electoralists can have a little imperialist simping as a treat.
its hard to have any hope at all living in this shit hole :amerikkka: i would say if this makes ppl happy let em b happy u kno
i have absolutely nothing positive happening in my life and my friends are all dead bc this shithole gvmt doesnt give a fuck sbout us addicts aka poors 1 million dead over 10 years just from opioid s alone
i was hit by a car on my bicycle earlier this year right around my birthday, and the year before that was rhe year i lost my best friend (he was 26 and worked with autistic children for fucks sake)
so ill feel at least a little happier tonight than my baseline of like -76 (0 being neutral mood) seeing this, personally
i wouldnt say being happy about something relatively good (as an amerikan) makes someone a succdem or means they have succdem tendencies. i am basically 97% against them due to their imperialist views and actions and the remaining 3% is just support for things like that, in the OP.
i am basically 97% against them due to their imperialist views and actions and the remaining 3% is just support for things like that, in the OP.
Yeah, agreed. Shit like in the OP is good, and I agree about being happy about it. There are definitely still some people on here who think this type of thing makes succdems OK though, or good, or something along those lines. It's why we have the occasional arguments over the squad, etc. I don't mean everyone who thinks this is good is a succdem-supporter, however.
Sorry to hear about your friend, and about you getting hit. :amerikkka: Solidarity, and good luck.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but what exactly can any of us do to help the average Palestinian? Would not supporting the John Deere strike somehow free up revolutionary resources that could be spent helping non-western workers?
Pointing out that the western left spends more time helping western workers who are massively privileged on a global scale is a completely banal and meaningless point. Building up a "western left" (which, let's be clear, does not fucking exist outside of fringe forums like this one) will require building leftist politics off the back of western issues, and the process of doing that will improve the lot of western workers before it improves the lot of anybody else.
What happens if the US collapses under its own contradictions and there isn't a labor movement that can take on whatever hyperreaction comes from the ashes?
Bernie isn't the labor movement, though.
Not talking about Bernie, I'm talking about those working class Americans we're not supposed to care about.
Oh, yeah. Obviously an American labor movement is important, no doubt. Caring about the global south doesn't exclude that.
I just thought you were talking about Bernie since that's the subject of the controversy in this thread.
I think they're two different conversations, but given that until communism wins there are going to be senators anyway, I think we should take the Menshevik Bernie over whatever psycho libertarian would come out of Vermont in his stead.
It is true that people focus on things happening where they live
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I agree
Succdems are a net positive, though. They're not enough, not by a fucking longshot, but they're obviously a net positive. Standing up to domestic capital is better than not standing up to capital at all. Succdems having more power would have positive material benefits, even if it wouldn't solve the unfathomable suffering caused by imperialism. For example, it would be better to have universal healthcare but otherwise the status quo than just the status fucking quo. There's nothing westerncentric about recognizing that and simultaneously continuing to demand an end to capitalism and imperialism entirely.
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Yes, in this case they specifically do. Cause every job they dont offshore to exploit forign workers is one we fot here
His a us senator. What do you want him to do? Advocate for the citizens of Peru?
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I mean, it would help to be consistently against imperialism and imperialists, but then he couldnt "work within the system" or whatever so I guess electoralists can have a little imperialist simping as a treat.
For a time, I really thought people here had purged themselves of succdem-supporting tendencies. Now I'm not so sure.
its hard to have any hope at all living in this shit hole :amerikkka: i would say if this makes ppl happy let em b happy u kno i have absolutely nothing positive happening in my life and my friends are all dead bc this shithole gvmt doesnt give a fuck sbout us addicts aka poors 1 million dead over 10 years just from opioid s alone i was hit by a car on my bicycle earlier this year right around my birthday, and the year before that was rhe year i lost my best friend (he was 26 and worked with autistic children for fucks sake)
so ill feel at least a little happier tonight than my baseline of like -76 (0 being neutral mood) seeing this, personally i wouldnt say being happy about something relatively good (as an amerikan) makes someone a succdem or means they have succdem tendencies. i am basically 97% against them due to their imperialist views and actions and the remaining 3% is just support for things like that, in the OP.
Yeah, agreed. Shit like in the OP is good, and I agree about being happy about it. There are definitely still some people on here who think this type of thing makes succdems OK though, or good, or something along those lines. It's why we have the occasional arguments over the squad, etc. I don't mean everyone who thinks this is good is a succdem-supporter, however.
Sorry to hear about your friend, and about you getting hit. :amerikkka: Solidarity, and good luck.