yes, it's people who have caught the virus... are you not reading?
"In summary, the virus is changing and we are learning more about the new variants (including the now predominant delta variant) every day, but it is possible for someone who has been vaccinated to develop a breakthrough infection (with or without symptoms) and spread the virus"
No, it's certain that it happens... the data bears this out
asymptomatic cases in vaccinated individuals still transmit the virus, hence why there are recommendations for fully vaccinated people to mask up & practice hygiene & social distancing still
"The researchers looked at 869 positive samples, 500 from Healthy Yolo Together and 369 from Unidos en Salud. All the Healthy Yolo Together samples were from people who were asymptomatic at the time of positive test result, and three-quarters were from unvaccinated individuals. The Unidos en Salud samples included both asymptomatic and symptomatic cases. Just over half (198) of the Unidos en Salud samples were unvaccinated"
Asymptomatic people aren't going to get tested usually... this study was for asymptomatic cases at the time of positive test result
no, they don't reduce one's susceptibility to being infected with the virus, they only reduce symptoms or severity of symptoms if a breakthrough case does occur
people get the virus even with the vaccine, and spread the virus despite having the vaccine & not showing symptoms
COVID vaccines are not designed to give sterilising immunity
"COVID-19 vaccines were never going to give us sterilizing immunity; it's possible they never will. But the reason isn't just their design, or the wily nature of the virus, or heavy and frequent exposures, though those factors all play a role. It's that sterilizing immunity itself might be a biological myth.Sep 9, 2021"
you're moving goalposts. A vaccine also doesn't need to be 100% effective in stopping spread/infection to work to reduce overall case counts.
You're less likely to get covid if you get vaccinated. Thus you're less likely to get it in the first place and spread it to others.
You're arguing that because a vaccine doesn't let you walk into a room of coughing corona patients without PPE that it's 0% effective at stopping spread. This is a stupid argument.
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no, the infections themselves happen regardless, but asymptomatic cases still spread the virus
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/can-i-still-spread-covid-19-after-vaccination
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yes, it's people who have caught the virus... are you not reading?
"In summary, the virus is changing and we are learning more about the new variants (including the now predominant delta variant) every day, but it is possible for someone who has been vaccinated to develop a breakthrough infection (with or without symptoms) and spread the virus"
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No, it's certain that it happens... the data bears this out
asymptomatic cases in vaccinated individuals still transmit the virus, hence why there are recommendations for fully vaccinated people to mask up & practice hygiene & social distancing still
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"The researchers looked at 869 positive samples, 500 from Healthy Yolo Together and 369 from Unidos en Salud. All the Healthy Yolo Together samples were from people who were asymptomatic at the time of positive test result, and three-quarters were from unvaccinated individuals. The Unidos en Salud samples included both asymptomatic and symptomatic cases. Just over half (198) of the Unidos en Salud samples were unvaccinated"
Asymptomatic people aren't going to get tested usually... this study was for asymptomatic cases at the time of positive test result
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no, they don't reduce one's susceptibility to being infected with the virus, they only reduce symptoms or severity of symptoms if a breakthrough case does occur
people get the virus even with the vaccine, and spread the virus despite having the vaccine & not showing symptoms
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COVID vaccines are not designed to give sterilising immunity
"COVID-19 vaccines were never going to give us sterilizing immunity; it's possible they never will. But the reason isn't just their design, or the wily nature of the virus, or heavy and frequent exposures, though those factors all play a role. It's that sterilizing immunity itself might be a biological myth.Sep 9, 2021"
you're moving goalposts. A vaccine also doesn't need to be 100% effective in stopping spread/infection to work to reduce overall case counts.
You're less likely to get covid if you get vaccinated. Thus you're less likely to get it in the first place and spread it to others.
You're arguing that because a vaccine doesn't let you walk into a room of coughing corona patients without PPE that it's 0% effective at stopping spread. This is a stupid argument.
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I'm pretty sure this is true, and it's always been true, but people have chosen to ignore it.