"I'm fine with 8000 dead children but NOT 9000" - Bernie Sanders, the moderate wing of fascism.
If this is an illegal, immoral, brutal, and grossly disproportionate war then why did you support it until now?
I'll give him absolutely no benefit of the doubt in terms of backroom deals because he was such a vocal Zionist publicly. If Bernie wanted to put any pressure on Biden, he'd seize on the unpopularity of the issue with his base. Instead he abandoned that base and had them arrested at his office. He's the progressive Dianne Feinstein psychotically holding onto power he isn't competent enough to use.
I can fully believe that he thinks he can change minds by playing nice. I also believe he's a mark.
"the wholesale child murder was fine, but now you're doing TOO MUCH child murder"
Like so many other politicians, Bernie will eventually change his opinion if he gets too many angry phone calls and street heckles from folks he pays attention to.
The fact that this is very nearly the most anti imperialist response from any US politician is completely wild to me. The entire gamut of the spectrum of this issue is from "don't keep stabbing new knives into the victim, just leave the old ones and call it good" to "holocaust 2.0, keep stabbing until there's nothing but pieces", thanks to Rashida Tlaib's censure.
What they did to Rashida was fucking vile. Condemning your colleague when she tries to save her people from genocide is a special kind of evil.
You keep calling it war despite being a massive ghetto getting bombed unilaterally
It's easy to say it when the US is trying to get out of this mess lmao. If he was brave, he would have said it after the first bombings in October.
But what can we expect from a man who folded so easily to Biden in an election he could have won...
He was never gonna win lmao. He wasn't a good enough candidate, or good enough at running a campaign, sure. But they were always gonna rat fuck him.
The real reason was that he was obviously gonna lose after getting smoked in ST. Maaaaybe if Warren had actually cared about the polices she ran on and dropped out it would have been worth a shot... But he was gonna lose.
Go home old man why did this take you 3 months to figure out
not interested in a thing this man says that doesn't include the word "ceasefire"
Ceasefire is cool and all, but it doesnt even begin to start the path to justice. So many of the world's "leaders" need to be charged for their complicity in this genocide. They have let this shit go on for the better part of a century. They've always known what a genocidal country Isntreal is.
Yeah. Ceasefire is the 'reform the police' to justice's "abolish the police". The Israeli state as it is currently constituted needs to be dismantled. Idk where you'd even start trying to do some kindo f truth and reconciliation thing to deprogram all the fash in Israel.
Calling to cut off US funding is a better position than "ceasefire". It is a clear demand of the actual domestic government behind which anyone that things of them as left can rally (pr be lobbied to rally). It poses an actual threat to Israel as well and will elicit strong reactions if it can be made to grow. It also suggests direct actions re: arms manufacturers and logistics. It will also be evergreen until and if the US revokes support for Israel, therefore providing a cause around which to organize beyond the current bombing and invasion campaign.
Ceasefire rhetoric will be useless the moment a ceasefire is declared and is even counterproductive, as any ceasefire will inevitably be broken and there are many scenarios where we would then be on the back foot. (1) Israel breaks the ceasefire but blames it on Hamas or whatever. We now have to explain media literacy to everyone in order to implicitly defend why a ceasefire is good rather than why Israel is inherently an oppressive project. (2) Palestinian groups break the ceasefire to engage in actions in the spirit of liberation, as in the al-Aqsa flood, and you now have to either contradict yourself and say actually now we don't want a ceasefire or you have to reject the fight for liberation and feed into imperialist rhetoric.
PS: we shouldn't let a pile of random zoomers have better takes on Palestine than us lol. We should be radicalizing and incorporating them, not alienating them by copying milquetoast SocDems imperialists.
I mean, if he said “cut off funding” period, I would agree. But he deliberately said for “Netanyahu’s illegal war” which is very much an attempt at saying ceasefire without uttering the word, so this is effectively the same. It takes the liberal Zionist approach of trying to frame the more “quiet” ethnic cleansing of Palestine pre-October 7 as an acceptable status quo while using Netanyahu as a scapegoat.
Even if Bernie had to take a Zionist approach which doesn’t broach the topic of Israel’s inherent existence being genocidal, he could at least focus on the occupation itself and Israel’s continued arrogance at brushing off even the pretense of a Palestinian state. Point being that it’s not ideal but it would be a good next step.
But he deliberately said for “Netanyahu’s illegal war” which is very much an attempt at saying ceasefire without uttering the word, so this is effectively the same. It takes the liberal Zionist approach of trying to frame the more “quiet” ethnic cleansing of Palestine pre-October 7 as an acceptable status quo while using Netanyahu as a scapegoat.
Exactly, libs have been doing this shit where they redirect their Trump derangement onto Netanyahu in order to whitewash the inherent crime of
existing as a genocidal apartheid state
Too late bitch! If it wasn’t complicated, you shouldn’t have equivocated two months ago
Oh so what was your limit of dead Palestinians Bernie? I want a fucking number
what was your limit of dead Palestinians Bernie?
At this point I wonder if it's a matter of duration than the number of dead people.
Thanks, I just realized I was still giving him the benefit of the doubt when it's awesome folks on the ground putting in the hard work to make him do something
Bernie Sanders Calls for 'NO MORE' U.S.
oh, well, that's okay too
Thought this was a @Melina@hexbear.net post for a second there
Still not entirely convinced
