• FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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    Israel - "Flawed" "Democracy" where majority of the poeple don't have citizenship or rights.

    These people would call Apartheid South Africa a "democracy".

    Also India being in the green is hilarious.

    • @i3c8XHV@aussie.zone
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      There are more Palestinians in Israel than in the west bank. They can all vote and they have parties in the Israeli parliament.

      Also, Gaza hasn't been part of Israel for almost 20 years.

      Israel is actually the only country in the middle east where Palestinians can vote and get elected.

  • autismdragon [he/him, comrade/them]
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    6 months ago

    How is fucking Saudi Arabia not the darkest red unless you are blatantly giving them bonus points for being a western ally. SA is about as autocratic as you get.

    • Tomboys_are_Cute [he/him, comrade/them]
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      6 months ago

      "Just because it is a literal monarchy where no one votes doesn't mean they can't support Western Democratic Values ®" the person who made this map probably.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      They rank Saudi Arabia as “more democratic” than the PRC…

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        6 months ago

        Saudi Arabia votes in OPEC votes on whether to produce more oil, so therefore they’re democratic

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        6 months ago

        Egypts democractically elected dictatorship is more democractic than China or Cuba. Okay right sure.

    • @ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml
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      Because to them democracy is bourgeois democracy. Saudi Arabia let the bourgeois have some power so they have some « democratic » caracteristics according to this model.

    • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      It's nonsensical to measure ”democracy” as a number, but even if you don't believe the elections in China, Russia or Venezuela are entirely fair, they still have them. Logically, it makes no sense for those countries to even be compared to a country like Saudi Arabia that has no democratic institutions, but what makes this map even more absurd is actually having them below Saudi Arabia.

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        It’s because liberals’ understanding of democracy is “democracy = good”. They cannot comprehend that the enemy might also have elections and representatives that the people like and want, even if it goes against their values. If there were two choices, one town voting go reinstate chattel slavery and the other town criminalizing slavery without putting it to a vote, liberals would say the former is better because it’s democratic.

    • quarrk [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      Kinda. They gave high scores to those countries in the global south that are more in line with the West. India has almost the same score as the US for example.

  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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    6 months ago

    Mexico changes from the neolib party that used to ruled the for 70 years via corruption and oppression to a 5/10 socdem party

    drops from flawed democracy to hybrid regime

    Lets goo lets-fucking-go

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    6 months ago

    Ukraine banned a Zelenskillion political parties in the time since the invasion lmao, with the exact reasoning of foreign/enemy influence that is deemed unacceptable for all the socialist "regimes"

    • autismdragon [he/him, comrade/them]
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      6 months ago

      Well yeah. Russian influence is bad because its a bad country, so its ok for Ukraine to ban pro-Russian parties.

      But the west are the good guys! So if a bad country fights western influence thats evil!

    • CarbonScored [any]
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      Democracy is when there fewer political parties to choose from, and the more parties you ban, the more democratic it is

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          number of parties with legislative representation in Ukraine: 6
          number of parties with legislative representation in China: 9

          • NPa [he/him]
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            Clearly this means Ukraine is more communist than China

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    Germany 8.8 when they had the same chancellor for 16 years in Angela Merkel lol. And then Evo Morales tries the same thing, and Bolivia gets a 4.5.

    us-foreign-policy

    • Redcuban1959 [any]
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      6 months ago

      Westerners when Angela Merkel stays for 16 years: porky-happy

      Westerners when Evo Morales wants to stay for 16 years: porky-scared-flipped

      • 7bicycles [he/him]
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        6 months ago

        the german liberal believes both that term limits in the US are democratic, that they are not in germany and also they're more hardline about their constititution being perfect than the most fundamentalist republicans as per change

        I mean it gets changed all the time but it's like in the boring bits about how the state functions so who cares

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      Germany is like 3 election terms away from being a CDU one party state and even then two of those terms are basically the social democracts doing christian democrat stuff

      Which is even funnier when you realize there's no like legal / constitutional reason for there to not be a plurality government that gets like weed legalized or whatever (I think that's been politically viable for about 20 years at this point), it's just the underlying assumption is if you don't have a massive 50%+ coalition the country will go under, like Weimar, due to infighting. It's basically placing some notion of "stability" over everything else. Which is currently in it's funniest phase as the govering coalition is the greens, the libertarians and the rightest-wing of the social democrats who get fucking nothing done due to infighting.

      Hence, I propose that germany is a one party state ruled by the party of "stability", which is every party

      • ChapoKrautHaus [none/use name]
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        6 months ago

        it's just the underlying assumption is if you don't have a massive 50%+ coalition the country will go under, like Weimar, due to infighting

        Even funnier that the country might really go under (again) because they started a war with Russia (again) and are in the process of losing because of insane and totally unrealistic assumptions about Russia (again)

    • Torenico [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      Germany 8.8

      Fuck me. No. It cannot be a dogwhistle. I'm losing my mind.

    • invo_rt [he/him]
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      Vene-"our boys got caught and literally pissed themselves"-zuela at roughly Saudi Arabia levels.

      maduro-coffee

  • @DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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    So they mention that it is at it's "lowest point" since they started tracking it in 2006. I think it is pretty clear that this just measures how compliant or subservient to the US a nation is. Surely even the libbest of libs would notice how dumb it is that Russia dropped almost a whole point in a year, despite no actual changes to their government and therefore their democracy.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      6 months ago

      I assume if you asked them they'd say that it's a result of the government response to anti-war protests. US state repression and police brutality doesn't have the same effect of course.

  • WalterBongjammin [they/them,comrade/them]
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    Britain, full democracy: Last two PMs elected by no one other than the Tory Party members, Leader of the opposition (and presumably next PM) elected to his role based on a completely fraudulent campaign that also broke campaign funding laws, previous leader of the opposition faced a coup from his own MPs only months after winning the leadership and then spent his entire tenure being smeared by them and their friends in the press chefs-kiss

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      also still a monarchy. like straight up. not even like vestigial royal family, just straight up a monarchy where the king gets your shit if you die and the royal family keeps interferring and blocking shit

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        You’re also not allowed to speak of the queen or king or the royal family in parliament without notifying them ahead of time

        • 7bicycles [he/him]
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          6 months ago

          Uhh yeah but the parliament that can be dissolved by the monarch at any time and is elected democratically (at least sometimes, considering recent events) says that's okay so actually that's democractic. That reflects the will of the populace

        • readmore [he/him]
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          6 months ago

          Everyone also seems to be missing the house of lords lol. Lifetime appointments (not elected), spots for the church of england, and a whole punch of hereditary peers. Amazingly democratic upper house there.

    • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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      6 months ago

      You can tell that the mayo countries aren't actually democracies because they've all had non-white people elected as presidents

  • @ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml
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    Democracy is when the bourgeoisie has full control over the political system but pretend they don’t by holding sham elections every few years apparently.

  • invo_rt [he/him]
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    How in the fuck is Mexico down? It has to be nationalizing natural resources.

    Also lol at Japan. The LDP has been in control since the 50s with little exception.

  • wombat [none/use name]
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    6 months ago

    Saudi Arabia more democratic than China LMAO

    usians are the most propagandized people on earth

  • VapeNoir [he/him]
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    6 months ago

    Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy with no legislative body, is more democratic than China or Iran.

    • mushroom [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      saudi arabia doesn't even pretend to be a democracy lol they're one of like three countries in the world today that doesn't claim to be democratic

      • VapeNoir [he/him]
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        6 months ago

        Seriously, saudi arabia and like brunei i guess should be the 0.0 reference point