He also refers to the left as "Illiberal" and whines about "Equality of Opportunity" also known as "We're going to leave some of you to die while others prosper"

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
    hexagon
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    3 years ago

    "Rhetoric about smashing societal structures to root out systemic racism doesn’t seem particularly liberal."

    Yeah no shit buddy we're well aware that Liberals won't change shit to address racism.

    • meme_monster [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Another beautiful quote:

      The discussions of structural racism imply a vaguely Marxist desire to smash and overturn societal structures to build a new world atop the rubble.

      Only a Marxist would try to smash and overturn societal structures. Theocracy? Fascism? Very Marxist ideologies.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    They haven't figured out that they're fighting fascists yet and that it doesn't actually matter what they do the fascists will do exactly what they want to do regardless of any decision the libs make.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      I don't think they're able to conceptualize the idea of a fascist. I don't think they can imagine someone who truly hates them and wants to destroy them. They think everyone ultimately wants the same thing and that they can bridge the gap if they just find the right argument. They can't really believe that anyone would be their implacable enemy, completely uninterested in negotiation and compromise. It's outside of their deluded little shitlib world view. When the fascists run them through they'll waste their last moments wondering what went wrong, and why they weren't able to reach a compromise.

      • 40fartsaday [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Also on a simpler level. The fascist is around them more often than the socialist or someone who shows up for antifa .

        They can put a human face on their uncle, or college friends beliefs because they know them.

  • 40fartsaday [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Enlightened Centrist: “So we have one side on the left that wants world peace and a side on the right that wants nuclear genocide. Clearly the correct choice is a nuclear genocide that creates world peace.”

    Left: “That’s not what we asked for, in fact that sounds like genocide. “

    Enlighted centrist: “My god I am being attacked by Joseph Stalin. “

    • LangdonAlger [any]
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      3 years ago

      Overton window

      lmao

      this post brought to you by /r/cth bot gang

  • Norm_Chumpsky [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Classic centrist move - taking right wing talking points in good faith and trying to reason with them. Much like Green New Deal and defund the police, CRT is something that never actually happened but the right pretends it's being taught in every elementary and high school to turn your kid into anti-white gay socialists. Trying to "compromise" with that does nothing but validate the fascist fantasy reality.

  • fox [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    The middle between racism and critical analysis of race is still racism, but it's a centrist so idk why I'm surprised

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The "centrist" position on slavery 200 years ago was to simply allow it to continue but hope that maybe in a few decades it can be outlawed.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    They submerge liberal individualism by classifying groups as either oppressor or oppressed.

    This is long-standing reactionary tactic - to make any claims about a group of people ignores "individuality". This allows them to avoid addressing any systemic issues or addressing actions and biases largely shared among certain groups.

    They treat slavery and its legacies as the indelibly defining fact of U.S. history,

    Because it is. In 2021, we have massive differences in black & white wealth, incarceration rates, health, etc. Either you think slavery and it's effects are still pervasive in our society and need to be addressed, OR you think black folks are somehow fundamentally not capable of attaining wealth and are prone to violence and criminal activity. That's why I think libs like you are every bit as racist as chuds, Greg.

    denigrating the foundational role of liberal ideals and the United States as irredeemably incapable of realizing them.

    I'll say death to America all day, but I think the US is not ultimately irredeemable. No society is. It's simple, the US just needs to do good things like get people health care or really address racism. But you don't get credit for being "good" unless you do good things. It's like someone who wants to lose 100 pounds but then gets upset their friends aren't praising them for getting a diet Coke instead of a regular one one time. Even if I accept the US has done some good, we have sooooooo much more to do before I would consider us "good".

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      3 years ago

      There's that line from the British dude who read the Declaration of Independence and dismissed it saying something like "it's ridiculous to talk about freedom while you're holding a whip over your slaves"

      Found it

      “If there be an object truly ridiculous in nature it is an American patriot signing resolutions of independency with the one hand and with the other brandishing a whip over his affrighted slaves.’’ - Thomas Day, of TERF Island

      It's been clear from the start that the US was born of injustice and violence. It's everywhere in the historical record, and denying it is pure, odious ideology.

      • star_wraith [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yep, reactionaries today pretend "oh the founding fathers were just products of their times, slavery was normal then". But there was plenty of anti-slavery sentiment, we just don't talk about it. Hell, the French - not exactly enlightened folks w/r/t race - abolished slavery in Haiti within a few years of the US constitution being ratified.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          I think the way the French abolished slavery in Haiti was literally the most destructive way you could possibly do it, short of actually genociding all your slaves.