Somebody please wipe the anglos from this cursed planet
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All the libs wondering what the tweet could possibly mean
singular evil :very-intelligent:
Oh yes, the Third Reich just dropped out of nowhere, without taking cues from manifest destiny or the British concentration camps in Africa, without building upon the "race science" groundwork colonialism had laid, without getting German elites accquainted with mass murder in the form of the Herero and Nama genocide in Namibia, and without building a base of revanchist, desensitized recruits in the trenches of WW1, the death rattle of imperialist German monarchism.
Any enlightened centrist upholding the sacred dogma of the fascist singularity knows that none of that mattered, the whole Hitler kerfuffle was an absolutely unprecedented event that just happened and that we can't learn anything from except calling anybody who dares to criticize colonialism an antisemite. Unless they're black or muslim, then we'll call them antisemites regardless of that.
Certainly this is the perfect route towards avoiding another nazi oopsie from happening, as is evidenced by the stellar track record libs have had in recent years in fighting back the onslaught of fascis ... oh, i mean "mildly controversial takes about too much wokeness" - wouldn't cheapen the gravity of the word fascism by calling people who merely think that Hitler did nothing wrong fascists! Fascism was singularly evil, so it'll definitely never happen again!
Oh yes, the Third Reich just dropped out of nowhere
It's crazy how much of the way we teach ww2 acts like this is the case. Hitler was so good at giving speeches that he tricked everyone into thinking Jews were bad.
Yeah, i'm extra double sceptical of anybody telling me how convincing and charismatic Hitler was. I mean, seriously, look at that fucking dweeb.
I'd believe that he was good at rallying the base tbh, but the idea that he somehow convinced otherwise fine Germans to do the holocaust through the power of rhetoric is pure ideology
One of his big "innovations" was using airplanes to campaign and hold rallys all across Germany (technically it was Gorbbles idea). But like you said, that'd would just give you a slight advantage, the German people were hungry for blood regardless of Hitler's speeches.
He just wrote one hell of a book. People read it and said "wow I'm a fascist now".
Is there a good book on how much the nazis took inspiration from America?
Yes. Mein Kampf. IIRC Hitler specifically refers to native genocide and the subjugation of PoC in America as models for his third reich.
More or less antisemitic than when Churchill let the Nazis go unopposed for years because he was hoping they'd kill all the communists for him?
Churchill was a bloodthirsty little savage and a vile eugenicist. But one thing he was not was in favor of the Munich Agreement.
Given the opportunity, I have no doubt he'd have invaded France before Hitler did. He simply wasn't named Prime Minister until ships started arriving from Dunkirk.
Given the opportunity, I have no doubt he’d have invaded France before Hitler did.
why dont you have doubts
Because Churchill was as war-hungry and avaricious as any politician in mainland Europe.
France was Britain's ally?? they hadnt fought each other since Napoleon?
The Germans carved Vichy out as an independent state allied with the Axis Powers. There was not a shortage of French fascists sympathetic with the Nazi ideology and enthusiastic in implementing their mission.
what bearing does this have on Churchill being liable to invade -not yet vichy- France before Hitler? (and it was demonstrably not independent they didnt administer half their country)
what bearing does this have on Churchill being liable to invade
The same bearing we'd see during the Cold War, in which the US would send troops into French-colonial South Vietnam or to prop up a military dictatorship in Latin America or Africa to keep Soviet sympathizers out of power. Or Thatcher's response to the Falklands.
(and it was demonstrably not independent they didnt administer half their country)
Philippe Pétain undermined efforts to continue French resistance following Dunkirk and openly collaborated with the Germans to fully subjugate French territory in anticipation of the June 1940 armistice. He further collaborated with Franco, in Spain, to crush the rebellious Spanish Republicans. And he press-ganged millions of French POWs and civilians into the German war-machine. Nevermind his hand in the genocide of French Jews, homosexuals, and Roma.
Pétain was far from a puppet. He was instrumental in legitimizing German occupation of France and imposing its fascist policy across the country. Pretty much the polar opposite of Charles de Gaulle.
The same bearing we’d see during the Cold War
France. the third imperial power. invaded by britain, the second imperial power. to the end of ??????????? i swear if this is about the goddamn Front populaire
France. the third imperial power. invaded by britain, the second imperial power.
Wait till you find out about D-Day.
"leaves no room to describe, say, Hitler"
Mate, he's literally Hitler.
guy who wore black face and did loads of racist impressions on the telly turning into the anti semitic tropes czar is a good bit
While also saying that no suffering of POC even approaches the holocaust. Seems pretty iffy with the prior history of blackface.
I mean he’s right, that one of the few “singular” things about the Holocaust was that it happened in mainland Europe. European powers had plenty of experience doing mass slaughter and ethnic cleansing in the colonies. The Holocaust is a world historic atrocity, but in order to truly understand it, it needs to be contextualized amongst other similar abominations.
Pretty much everything they claim Stalin did, Churchill actually did.
Very few in Britain know about the genocide in Bengal let alone how Churchill engineered it. Churchill’s hatred for Indians led to four million starving to death during the Bengal ‘famine’ of 1943. “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion” he would say.
Bengal had a better than normal harvest during the British enforced famine. The British Army took millions of tons of rice from starving people to ship to the Middle East – where it wasn’t even needed. When the starving people of Bengal asked for food, Churchill said the ‘famine’ was their own fault “for breeding like rabbits”. The Viceroy of India said “Churchill’s attitude towards India and the famine is negligent, hostile and contemptuous”. Even right wing imperialist Leo Amery who was the British Secretary of State in India said he “didn’t see much difference between his [Churchill] outlook and Hitler’s”. Churchill refused all of the offers to send aid to Bengal, Canada offered 10,000 tons of rice, the U.S 100,000, he just point blank refused to allow it. Churchill was still swilling champaign while he caused four million men, women and children to starve to death in Bengal.
Throughout WW2 India was forced to ‘lend’ Britain money. Churchill moaned about “Indian money lenders” the whole time. The truth is Churchill never waged war against fascism. He went to war with Germany to defend the British Empire, he said this about India during WW2 “are we to incur hundreds of millions of debt for defending India only to be kicked out by the Indians afterwards”.
In 1945 Churchill said “the Hindus were race protected by their mere pullulation from the doom that is due”. The Bengal famine wasn’t enough for Churchill’s blood lust, he wished his favourite war criminal Arthur Harris could have bombed them.
And that's just about India: There's more
"America = bad" while a good rule of thumb, is not a correct understanding of history. Mid-war is different from the late 30s for starters, but more than that, the war made it obvious that the British Raj could not last. American self-image was that of a liberator, even if we literally were retaking colonies Japan had taken from us, and on some level we believed it so long as it didn't challenge OUR hegemony.
This is why the US initially backed Ho Chi Minh, and FDR was strongly in support of Indian independence. When you are not the profiteer, it is easier to see the injustice and what has to be done. The US pressured Churchill during the war to give India independence, which incensed Churchill, but he played along by the end. Some of his more sympathetic quotes about India come in memos the US would read, so he actively tried not to seem craven.
Not only can state actors be contradictory, I wouldn't even call sending aid to India a contradiction here. US support for India was not exactly a secret, heck US troops had been advised to not harm or harass Indian troops of the Indian National Army who had joined the Axis powers in Thailand and Myanmar, but rather to treat them better than the British in order to prove the Allies where not all like the UK. Which certainly helped negotiations become an actual reality, as opposed to cutting a deal with the British
There's also the fact that a US helmed by FDR was probably the least willfully malicious it's ever been (excepting, possibly, the Lincoln administration). FDR was a racist socdem shit, but comparatively moderate beside the extremely racist hyper-capitalist (or aristocratic slaver, before that) shits that were in charge at all other times. Had he survived longer it's even conceivable the Cold War would have been averted or delayed, though it's likely that his successors would have pivoted to imperialist aggression immediately regardless of how much relations between the US and USSR warmed.
People sometimes forget that liberals can be genuine ideologues and not just cynical opportunists.
Bro I can barely even comprehend what the second tweet is even trying to say. Fucking nonsense
Higher ups were like "hey, lit-philosophy-media major, call this guy antisemitic but make it sound smart"
Labour politico attacks on wokeness in general are starting to read like screeds from the Dark Enlightenment types.
The world goes to shit with covid, the UK goes to shit with Brexit, and the best labour stalwarts can do is take a hard right turn towards the ugliest nationalist sentiments.
the holocaust was singularly evil, which means nothing can possibly be compared to it. "never again" means "boy i sure am glad nothing like that can ever happen again because we killed all the bad people and only good people are left."
I completely gave up like five words into the sentence.
I've read enough stupid liberal bullshit to learn they have nothing to say, don't feel guilty for tuning them out.
Jews should push back against this, it's really fucked up when some white cringe asshole weaponizes antisemitism because their favorite mass murderer gets attacked on TV... a man that was not even Jewish.
As I posted previously, that's why I'm going back in time to kill Churchill. You can come with.
I am going to travel back in time and kill Winston Churchill with the hope that it will spare me from having to endure this specific tweet.
No, you see, it was the Bengalis' fault for exporting food while they were starving. That's a decision they totally made on their own and had nothing to do with our colonial administrators.
It's a non sequitur. He's essentially saying caring about human atrocities other than the Holocaust is Holocaust denial
I wish I could find the quotes, but Finkelstein covers this wonderfully in "The Holocaust Industry". Though I did find one little quote from it that sums it up
“Do not compare” is the mantra of moral blackmailers.”
Thank you for the recommendation, I'll add it to the ever-growing list
