Plenty of things got libs in the streets throughout Trump's presidency, then faded back to being background noise. I'd love for this to be different, I don't believe it will.
I'm feeling doomer about this, because overturning Roe v Wade won't immediately make abortion illegal, it will just open the door for states to do it. So you'll have the "frog in hot water" effect going on where every couple of months different red state will be banning it, but because most libs' access to abortion won't change they won't be able to get riled up about it.
It will immediately make abortion illegal in 20 or 25 states. There are 8 states with pre-Roe abortion bans and at least 12 with "trigger laws" that ban abortion the second Roe is overturned.
No abortion is the one thing that affects rich libs as much as poor people. It is the one thing that Dems have that they can proudly hold above their heads.
Either they will actually fight for it. Or their lack of spine will cause a lot of people to finally call it quits with the Dems. No amount of “boss babe” energy would save Pelosi from failing to stop this.
Hyper rich yeah but there’s already laws in place to stop middle class folks from doing that in multiple states. I’m expecting much more when the reversal goes through. .
i think that's a reach. the Court evidently doesn't have the appetite to continue to engage in abortion-lochnerism, but i imagine they will be loathe to trample on what i imagine are traditional notions of comity and state sovereignty.
like, its one thing for the Court to say that the substantive issue is not contemplated by the constitution (and thus, leaving abortion access to the federal or state legislatures); it would be quite another to affirmatively allow some states to effectively override the laws of other states.
Do you think republican-governors'-daughters don't get abortions?
Rich people will just go to now-even-more-expensive private clinics were they can get an abortion for a hefty sum of money without any fucking lunatic at the door harassing them.
Half of the EU doesn't even have full abortion rights, it's really only a matter of time before Roe gets overturned.
Plus, if Roe gets overturned Dems have an easy way to grift more money from coastal rich libs by running "legalize abortion" campaigns in places like Texas.
The Texas restrictions are very new. The protections of Roe v Wade are much stronger (while they still exist lol) technically than what people have in Europe. Roe theoretically guarantees up to "viability" (22-23 weeks) and until the Bush years,you could even do partial birth abortions.
Most countries in Europe, abortion only unrestricted up to the first trimester. Even countries like Denmark and Austria require doctor's approval which is something that only the more conservative states in the US have (mandatory ultrasounds or requiring appointments), and those restrictions are fairly new in the US (30 years ago you never had to see a doctor before your abortion anywhere in the US, until the Supreme Court started chipping away at Roe). Germany and Belgium have longer waiting periods than some of the reddest US states.
Edit: Did some digging on Germany's abortion laws, and what they have on the books, right now, is technically a little stricter than the Mississippi ban that's being argued right now.
Doctors are also free to refuse abortions which means in some rural conservative areas, it's just like the US where technically abortion is legal but women have to drive hours to get one. For instance in some regions of Italy, over 90% of OBs refuse to perform abortions, and these are mostly rural, poorer regions just like in the US.
"We need to get back Roe vs. Wade!" will be an even better motivator to get the democrat base to :vote: and donate than "There's a damn Cheeto in the White House!" ever was. These people love losing and are experts at milking their losses.
It's perfect fucking timing for the Democrats, because it buys them an entire election cycle of promising absolutely nothing except "you gotta :vote: for us otherwise we'll never reinstate Roe v. Wade 🥺 "
Nah, actually the perfect time to do it is under a Dem presidency. They'll all look to Biden for guidance and he will characteristically offer none and so they'll do nothing.
....I just somehow believe that the Dems won't let them. Like... this is the one issue that'll get all the libs in the streets.
I hope - but extremely doubt - you're right.
Plenty of things got libs in the streets throughout Trump's presidency, then faded back to being background noise. I'd love for this to be different, I don't believe it will.
I'm feeling doomer about this, because overturning Roe v Wade won't immediately make abortion illegal, it will just open the door for states to do it. So you'll have the "frog in hot water" effect going on where every couple of months different red state will be banning it, but because most libs' access to abortion won't change they won't be able to get riled up about it.
It will immediately make abortion illegal in 20 or 25 states. There are 8 states with pre-Roe abortion bans and at least 12 with "trigger laws" that ban abortion the second Roe is overturned.
...oh. TIL.
Yup.
No abortion is the one thing that affects rich libs as much as poor people. It is the one thing that Dems have that they can proudly hold above their heads.
Either they will actually fight for it. Or their lack of spine will cause a lot of people to finally call it quits with the Dems. No amount of “boss babe” energy would save Pelosi from failing to stop this.
huh? rich people can just go to a different jurisdiction to get the abortion. they won't be affected at all.
Hyper rich yeah but there’s already laws in place to stop middle class folks from doing that in multiple states. I’m expecting much more when the reversal goes through. .
hmm. i'm a dummy, but i'll be curious how, ya know, those restrictions contemplate/survive federalism questions.
Same way the other fucking laws have. Judges say it’s fine gets deferred to Supreme Court who then says it’s fine becaaue morals and shit.
i think that's a reach. the Court evidently doesn't have the appetite to continue to engage in abortion-lochnerism, but i imagine they will be loathe to trample on what i imagine are traditional notions of comity and state sovereignty.
like, its one thing for the Court to say that the substantive issue is not contemplated by the constitution (and thus, leaving abortion access to the federal or state legislatures); it would be quite another to affirmatively allow some states to effectively override the laws of other states.
Do you think republican-governors'-daughters don't get abortions?
Rich people will just go to now-even-more-expensive private clinics were they can get an abortion for a hefty sum of money without any fucking lunatic at the door harassing them.
Half of the EU doesn't even have full abortion rights, it's really only a matter of time before Roe gets overturned.
Plus, if Roe gets overturned Dems have an easy way to grift more money from coastal rich libs by running "legalize abortion" campaigns in places like Texas.
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The Texas restrictions are very new. The protections of Roe v Wade are much stronger (while they still exist lol) technically than what people have in Europe. Roe theoretically guarantees up to "viability" (22-23 weeks) and until the Bush years,you could even do partial birth abortions.
Most countries in Europe, abortion only unrestricted up to the first trimester. Even countries like Denmark and Austria require doctor's approval which is something that only the more conservative states in the US have (mandatory ultrasounds or requiring appointments), and those restrictions are fairly new in the US (30 years ago you never had to see a doctor before your abortion anywhere in the US, until the Supreme Court started chipping away at Roe). Germany and Belgium have longer waiting periods than some of the reddest US states.
Edit: Did some digging on Germany's abortion laws, and what they have on the books, right now, is technically a little stricter than the Mississippi ban that's being argued right now.
Doctors are also free to refuse abortions which means in some rural conservative areas, it's just like the US where technically abortion is legal but women have to drive hours to get one. For instance in some regions of Italy, over 90% of OBs refuse to perform abortions, and these are mostly rural, poorer regions just like in the US.
"We need to get back Roe vs. Wade!" will be an even better motivator to get the democrat base to :vote: and donate than "There's a damn Cheeto in the White House!" ever was. These people love losing and are experts at milking their losses.
why hasn't there been someone like "yo, these guys lost us RvW, why even continue to support them?"
"You have to support the democrats! Otherwise you support orange Cheeto Drumpf who will overturn women's suffrage unless you :vote: and donate!"
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Huge peaceful protests.
It's perfect fucking timing for the Democrats, because it buys them an entire election cycle of promising absolutely nothing except "you gotta :vote: for us otherwise we'll never reinstate Roe v. Wade 🥺 "
Nah, actually the perfect time to do it is under a Dem presidency. They'll all look to Biden for guidance and he will characteristically offer none and so they'll do nothing.
If this does go through, would the dems have any power to stop it until they get more seats on the SC?
This has been in the court pipeline for months. If they were going to do anything, they would have.