I've noticed some of them are trying to infiltrate chapo.chat so keep your eyes open for people spreading sectarian lies.

  • CatherineTheSoSo [any]
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    4 years ago

    "ML is inherently homophobic" is a take I hear from anarchists all the time and it never fails to leave me dumbfounded.

    • LaikaComeHome [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I mean I think there are some tankies that are wayyy too ready to hand wave away the treatment of homosexuals under Stalin, but saying ML is inherently homophobic is a bad take

        • Helmic [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          struggle time! this is why anarchists tend to be uncomfortable about people identifying as a tankie, because while plenty of us don't believe every ML is a tankie as we'd use the word (support of the USSR's worst shit) and are fully capable of being critical of the same shit we dislike, when people shitpost as being that it makes it hard to tell who's "just joking" and who genuinely wishes anarchists bodily harm in the event of a revolution.

          that said, you made those posts specifically in the context of getting an ML trying to purge anarchists from the community to shut the fuck up about the mods being biased against ML's, so critical support.

    • Amorphous [any]
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      4 years ago

      It seems like they'd start to wonder if maybe their opinions are silly when they realize how many lgbt+ MLs there are. And how incredibly inclusive they are. Do they think communities made up largely of lgbt+ people and openly, whole-heartedly supportive of lgbt+ people secretly hate the gays and want to throw them in gulags? How can these opinions even come to be?

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        How can these opinions even come to be?

        One issue with anarchists is that they often wind up repeating oversimplified anti-communist propaganda when they criticize MLs. Oh, Stalin criminalized same-sex relationships? Guess that's the end of the story -- no need to examine LGBT rights under Lenin, or LGBT rights in modern-day Cuba, or to compare any of these countries to what came before or to what capitalist countries were doing at the same time. And definitely don't pay any attention to what today's American MLs have to say about LGBT rights.

        • sunlit_uplands [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Definitely shouldn't examine the role that western funding of reactionary religious organizations, during the global war on communism, played in keeping countries conservative.

      • CatherineTheSoSo [any]
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        I've seen them claim that LGBT MLs are as misguided as jewish white supremacists, saying that oppression of gays is an inevitable result of "authoritatianism".

        To be honest, I don't think people generally respect this kind of "argument from representation and support within community" you are going for. Like 80% of anprims/anticivs on twitter are trans for some reason yet other anarchists have no qualms about calling them forest TERFs.

      • Emerus [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Regarding LGBT issues, I've seen a few point on CPGB-ML which is pretty bad on trans stuff especially, and then use it as an evidence that MLs in general are like that.

        • KiaKaha [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah CPGB-ML is trash. Britain somehow became terf central.