Khrushchev wtf were you doing we needed this
Stalin's feud with Yugoslavia was regrettable too. A huge communist alliance would've been sweet
fair enough, i just stalin because that's what i remember off the top off my head.
Do you have any recommendations for reading or even watching, to learn more information about the relationship between Socialist Yugoslavia and USSR?
Literally if we all worked together things could have been so much better
Probably the biggest L that communism has taken other than the fall of the USSR
The fall of the USSR was a direct consequence of the the Sino-Soviet Split & Krushchev's revisionism.
taking my timemachine back to 1950 and telling stalin to purge Khrushchev and promote Molotov or someone else for the love of god, and then also telling Mao not to kill the fucking sparrows lol
Given the state of the world communist movement in the late 70's - the mass murders in Indonesia & South America, the collapse of an anti-imperialist OPEC, and a USSR collapsing under its own contradictions - a return to NEP was necessary for the semi-feudal, backwards China to be capable of leading a socialist bloc in the future.
If Deng was purged (rather, if a return to NEP was not implemented), then the world communist movement would be significantly worse off than it is now. The blockades on China, Cuba, and the DPRK following the collapse of the USSR would have been significantly more brutal, probably existential.
We would be back at square one, as if the Russian Revolution had never happened. We would only be left with the lessons of successful revolution, no real, material gains. Successful revolutions, such as Nepal or Venezuela, would not have an industrial superpower to cooperate with. Those successful revolutions would then be forced to carry out an NEP-style program, with significantly less leverage than China had.
If the Sino-Soviet Split had not occurred, a united communist bloc would have had the capabilities to develop large-scale industry across China. Their union would have been capable of responding to mass murders in Indonesia & South America. Their union would have had the leverage to pressure nations such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia from handing OPEC to the imperialists. In this world - a world we do not live in - Deng's line would have been revisionist.
We would be back at square one, as if the Russian Revolution had never happened.
No. We would be worse. Because their revolution informed the capitalists of the gravity of the threat communism poses to them. They knew it of course already, in a way, but there is a difference between knowing in theory and seeing in reality. They got to see just how close they were to destruction.
Neoliberalism and Globalism are post-ussr reactions. "How can we make sure this NEVER happens again? Or at least make it significantly harder." -- Distributing the modes of production globally has forced communist nations into market participation in order to match development and not be crushed. This alone was a huge set-back and even among communists is a point of contention that many do not understand, we no longer live in the same world the soviets lived in, soviet socialism can not work because of this change in the construction of society.
Things would be far more bleak.
Yea, if the Sino Soviet split never happened I think that China would have never needed to open up their economy the way they did, and they also would not have had the doo doo ass foreign policy that they did after the split.
purge Deng
cringe and gang of four pilled
deng isn't thatcher or reagan an isnt seen as such in China
The Sino-Soviet split was inevitable for the same reason that no one in the Late Stage Capitalism discord server is in the Chapo discord server is in the other Chapo discord server is in the Trans Anarchist Catgirls server is in the Stupidpol server is in the Disco Elysium server is in the Cumtown server. You can make fun of this concept all you like, 'it's just the Internet', etc., but a great deal of the communist leaders were the same kind of people who are leftists now. Tale old as rock and young as dew.
You just hate to see it. Hopefully one day we can put our differences behind us and fight our common enemies
The tale is that leftists can't tolerate people who differ from them ideologically and will split over the tiniest things; and even over the large things, we find it impossible to build broad coalitions against things we dislike and work against them, at least without forsaking leftism in the process.
It's silly to suggest this is something unique to leftists, or even more prevalent among us than other groups. It's just real fucking hard to create a sizable group where everyone can work together, especially if you're fighting an uphill battle and meaningful power or authority is scarce.
Revisionism aside, how stupid do you have to be to turn your back on a country with nearly a billion communists. Strategically it makes no sense
I don't think making sure everyone is "on the right track" should be a top priority in deciding support/alliances.
Any communist project must first be anti-imperialist and anti-fascist until those forces no longer have a stranglehold on geopolitics.
Even if it means supporting a country with the "wrong" politics, it's still important to have a bulwark against US imperial hegemony.
This certainly has been the viewpoint adopted by modern China, and I think this stance deserves credit for enabling the CCP to survive into this millennia, unlike many of the failed socialist projects of the 20th century.
This is a great article on China's long term strategy.
Excerpt:
Contradictions in the foreign policies of the CPC include those which result from the strict non-interference in the affairs of foreign states, which has characterised Chinese foreign relations for thousands of years, and the prioritising of larger international trade relationships over ideological conflicts. One example is unscrupulous business deals with right-wing governments, such as Saudi Arabia or Israel. The “live and let live” ethic of this modus operandi even applies to ideological enemies: China also trades with the biggest terrorist organisation in the world, the USA, without even criticising its long list of illegal wars and heinous crimes against humanity (although this may be changing). Another is not supporting local leftist struggles in partner nations, such as guerrilla Maoist insurrections in SE Asia, if it might jeopardise trade relations with state entities. If the temporary “ethical net-losses” of these contradictions lead to larger “net-gains” and positive results in the long term, they are calculated as worthwhile or unavoidable.
The CPC understands that national leaders and ruling parties are fickle and ephemeral, but development and the improvement of material conditions will have long lasting effects. Creating a more balanced global playing field is the long game, which will create the conditions necessary for systemic change in each country, by their own agency. The phrase “Socialism With Chinese Characteristics” may have seemed clumsy and overly wordy at first, but the world will slowly come to understand its internationalist meaning, and that it is this way for a very specific reason: in anticipation of Socialism with Indian Characteristics, Socialism with French Characteristics, Socialism with USAmerican Characteristics, and 1000 socialisms with local characteristics to bloom.
