• newmou [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Wtf he’s a billionaire head of an international conglomerate of businesses he absolutely is bourgeoisie

      • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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        3 years ago

        Technically you could say Trump is more like "aristocracy" than "bourgeoisie" since he's a property baron, but that distinction hasn't meant anything in 100 years.

        • newmou [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          No technically he would very much be bourgeoisie lol

          • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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            3 years ago

            Well no because owning land and collecting rent is not strictly the same as owning "means of production", but that distinction has become less meaningful.

            • newmou [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Once a dwelling is wielded in a profit generating manner, it becomes a means of production because it is a way of using capital to produce profit/more capital for the owner

    • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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      3 years ago

      Yes he is? He's definitely not a proletarian lmao

        • spectre [he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          bourgeoisie = noun for people who build wealth through means of ownership, especially the thousand or so billionaires who have the highest concentration of wealth

          bourgeois = adjective describing the above, whether literally or culturally (like "boujee"): "making money from the factory that you've been to is bourgeois." "dressing fancy and going to an opera is bourgeois"

          Like our comrade mentioned, we also using it semi-ironically or unironically toward the privileges of the American "middle class", some of which can accurately be described as "bourgeois"

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            In leftist spaces it's pretty much never used that way and when radicalizing libs it's one of the FIRST distinctions I bring up cause it can make richer people feel like part of the thing. Bring em in and then make them feel guilty about being rich, then they give money to leftist shit instead of just taking their chips off the left table. We don't need libs, but we do need their money.

        • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I think that definition was coined when upper class meant "literal aristocrats and royalty."

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          What? No, that's not how class distinction works for Marxists. Middle class is borderline meaningless.

    • RedDawn [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      He very clearly is bourgeois and has been for his entire life, what on earth definition of bourgeois are you using that doesn't include billionaire real estate tycoon Donald Trump?

    • Duckduck [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Trump talks and acts like a kid from Queens. That's part of why the elite hate him so much. He may have gone to Wharton and be a billionaire who lived on Central Park but he still acts like the guy in a working class bar who will slap the shit out of someone who gives him lip or disrespects him.

      • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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        3 years ago

        Buddy, we are materialists here. Sam Walton in a baseball cap is not a salt of the Earth farm boy, and Trump being a pro-wrestling fan does not make him "Just a kid from NY".

      • ElGosso [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Lmao no he doesn't, he's a spoiled baby and he acts like one

    • threshold [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      we're so into politics as sport, that when one politicians says something halfway decent we retroactively decide he's good