In this interview, Candace Owens expresses her disgust at kids wearing masks in schools: "it looks like China."Trump surprises her by responding: "Well, China's education system is a hell of a lot better than ours." https://t.co/SgeWgkFDAe— gelatina coreana de bellota (@dotorii_muk) December 23, 2021
It sounds so silly. Over here in NL where you live doesn't even really have any bearing on what school your kids can go to. Many people choose one close by out of convenience, but you're free to send them wherever.
Don't know about NL, but it is quite common in europe to have free or heavily subsidized public transit for schoolkids, so you usually have a few schools to choose from.
The question would be more aboute private or boarding schools, but not all education systems are quite as stratified like the british, so the quality of education doesn't vary as much between public and private school. Also it tends to be more of a thing for the uber-elite, fairly well off people are fine with public schools.
Of course there is class based discrimination, but this is based more on a class-race intersection and teachers behaviour
(and a more complicated topic and I'm running out of effort for this post)
Nobody is going to commit themselves to having to drop off their kids by car every day to make it to elementary school. "Far away" is generally still going to be "they'll have to take the bike when they're old enough". Most instances of school choice are either about parents being picky about the type of education and going for something like Montessori, or a school with a higher focus on the arts. Which is more about middle class hipsterism than race.
There are expensive private schools here, but very small numbers. Like 18 across the whole country for primary education, you can look them up here. Visibly upperclass twats are not that prevalent, our Calvinistic roots are showing there, it's okay to be filthy rich but you're supposed to hide your power levels a bit. Most of the upper class send their kids to regular schools.
That's openly racist. If given free choice whites will cluster their kids together in all-white schools. There was a big Supreme Court decision in the 70s that made this illegal.
I don't think there's such a thing as an 'all-white school' here. You'll find some geographical clustering of immigrant populations, and consequently inner city schools may have a higher grade of diversity than an elementary school in some kind of podunk town, but as far as I've ever seen never to the point that there were no white kids in inner city schools, and even in the smaller municipalities (like my own town that houses under 5000 people) the make-up of the school population is definitely not 'all-white' either.
Not saying that there's no racism here, way too many liberals for there not to be. But school choice as a tool for white flight is not really how that worked out here.
Then how are they going to have racially integrated schools? Whites certainly won't do it voluntarily. How is the black population supposed to get a good education if they're all segregated into ghetto schools with high crime and poor teachers?
By not having an insane education system in the first place. There are no 'ghetto schools' to begin with, and extra funds are allocated to any school with lots of immigrants who need extra attention.
Doesn't mean we don't have any racism, unfortunately. But that racism isn't being reinforced by the education system like in the US.
Plenty of places in America let you send your kid wherever you want, and at least where I grew up it was mostly kids of color choosing to go to the "better" suburban schools, not white kids clustering. It actually was a problem more for the kids who didn't have transport out to the suburbs because it created a brain drain effect.
It's a system designed to segregate access to public spending. Redline housing, then limit school funding to the money raised in certain neighborhoods, then scare people into their ethnic enclaves by complaining about how brown people ruin social services.
Charter schools are all about privatizing educational funding. But it will take us in the opposite direction. One-size-fits-all profit driven education, where you P2W for class rank and GPA.
I said this as someone working in a public school. We have a charter school next door that doesn’t take in any refugees from the nearby camps because they have never applied. Refugees of course take up more resources, even in the ideal case where they adapter culturally and have no emotionalismens trauma. Just translators alone are a significant expenditure, and charter schools working to segregate everything further is a very real and current problem for me. Everything is fair on paper. Every student gets the same amount of money from the municipality. A real school will never be able to compete with one that gets to select its students for using less resources.
Does any other country fund their schools like the US does, at the district level?
It sounds so silly. Over here in NL where you live doesn't even really have any bearing on what school your kids can go to. Many people choose one close by out of convenience, but you're free to send them wherever.
Isn't your ability to send kids to far-away schools a function of wealth?
Don't know about NL, but it is quite common in europe to have free or heavily subsidized public transit for schoolkids, so you usually have a few schools to choose from. The question would be more aboute private or boarding schools, but not all education systems are quite as stratified like the british, so the quality of education doesn't vary as much between public and private school. Also it tends to be more of a thing for the uber-elite, fairly well off people are fine with public schools.
Of course there is class based discrimination, but this is based more on a class-race intersection and teachers behaviour (and a more complicated topic and I'm running out of effort for this post)
Nobody is going to commit themselves to having to drop off their kids by car every day to make it to elementary school. "Far away" is generally still going to be "they'll have to take the bike when they're old enough". Most instances of school choice are either about parents being picky about the type of education and going for something like Montessori, or a school with a higher focus on the arts. Which is more about middle class hipsterism than race.
Boarding schools have been a thing among the ultra-wealth for centuries.
There are expensive private schools here, but very small numbers. Like 18 across the whole country for primary education, you can look them up here. Visibly upperclass twats are not that prevalent, our Calvinistic roots are showing there, it's okay to be filthy rich but you're supposed to hide your power levels a bit. Most of the upper class send their kids to regular schools.
That's openly racist. If given free choice whites will cluster their kids together in all-white schools. There was a big Supreme Court decision in the 70s that made this illegal.
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I don't think there's such a thing as an 'all-white school' here. You'll find some geographical clustering of immigrant populations, and consequently inner city schools may have a higher grade of diversity than an elementary school in some kind of podunk town, but as far as I've ever seen never to the point that there were no white kids in inner city schools, and even in the smaller municipalities (like my own town that houses under 5000 people) the make-up of the school population is definitely not 'all-white' either.
Not saying that there's no racism here, way too many liberals for there not to be. But school choice as a tool for white flight is not really how that worked out here.
Because the Supreme Court made it illegal. Please try to follow along.
The Hooggerechtshof did no such thing.
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Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg eliminated all-white schools.
That's great, but that court has no jurisdiction in the Netherlands.
Then how are they going to have racially integrated schools? Whites certainly won't do it voluntarily. How is the black population supposed to get a good education if they're all segregated into ghetto schools with high crime and poor teachers?
By not having an insane education system in the first place. There are no 'ghetto schools' to begin with, and extra funds are allocated to any school with lots of immigrants who need extra attention.
Doesn't mean we don't have any racism, unfortunately. But that racism isn't being reinforced by the education system like in the US.
Just to blow your mind further, even the most racially diverse inner city schools here don't have:
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Plenty of places in America let you send your kid wherever you want, and at least where I grew up it was mostly kids of color choosing to go to the "better" suburban schools, not white kids clustering. It actually was a problem more for the kids who didn't have transport out to the suburbs because it created a brain drain effect.
They do that under every system.
Yes. It’s awful. I think it is a system designed to support charter schools, since they are not bound by the same rules as public schools.
It's a system designed to segregate access to public spending. Redline housing, then limit school funding to the money raised in certain neighborhoods, then scare people into their ethnic enclaves by complaining about how brown people ruin social services.
Charter schools are all about privatizing educational funding. But it will take us in the opposite direction. One-size-fits-all profit driven education, where you P2W for class rank and GPA.
I said this as someone working in a public school. We have a charter school next door that doesn’t take in any refugees from the nearby camps because they have never applied. Refugees of course take up more resources, even in the ideal case where they adapter culturally and have no emotionalismens trauma. Just translators alone are a significant expenditure, and charter schools working to segregate everything further is a very real and current problem for me. Everything is fair on paper. Every student gets the same amount of money from the municipality. A real school will never be able to compete with one that gets to select its students for using less resources.
Ok, rant over.