https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1298672614471340038

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    It's hard to feel bad for him. I and many others here have had shitty politics when we were younger, the difference is we didn't go around shooting people over it.

    • ParodyTheLibs [comrade/them]
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      Yeah I hate these takes of "oh feel bad for him, he's just a victim of brain washing"

      I had very shitty chud politics growing up and didn't do anything violent against "the other". This piece of shit drove a half hour to a protest armed, killed people, and drove home. He didn't feel bad about it and no one here should feel bad for him.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        I had very shitty chud politics growing up and didn’t do anything violent against “the other”.

        At the same time, this has "I grew up poor and made it, so I have no sympathy for anyone who didn't" energy.

        • ParodyTheLibs [comrade/them]
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          This is not the same at all. Being indoctrinated is understandable, you're a victim of your upbringing sometimes, and you can have sympathy for those who haven't made it out and spew hate, slurs, and work against their best interests because of what they're told.

          Going out to a protest, killing two people and paralyzing a third, and then fleeing the state is ABSOLUTELY beyond simple brainwashing. He was aware he killed at least one person and left.

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
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          "I grew up poor and made it" is celebrating the fact you are a statistical anomaly, and likely exploited many on your way up.

          What is wrong you? How is this similar to "I grew up conservative & didn't massacre anti-racist protesters"?

          You literally do not have to sympathize with white supremacists as they massacre people. I promise.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            It's the exact same argument in the form of: "I figured things out, so I feel no sympathy for anyone who didn't." Alternately, "I grew up in an environment I was able to escape, and fuck anyone who wasn't able to."

            You literally do not have to have sympathy for white supremacists as they massacre people

            He's literally a child.

            You can think he should get the book thrown at him, you can think it would have been better if he had been gunned down on the spot, and you can simultaneously think it's a tragedy that a literal child wasted his life because he grew up around chuds.

            • PhaseFour [he/him]
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              It’s the exact same argument in the form of: “I figured things out, so I feel no sympathy for anyone who didn’t.”

              That's the whole fucking point of "which side are you on?" We live in a world of exploitation and terror. I do not have sympathy for people who go to war to protect it.

              Should I have sympathy for scabs because they "grew up in an environment which made them hostile to working class solidarity"? Should I have sympathy for slave-owners because "they grew up in an environment where owning humans was normalized"?

              What the fuck?

              You can think he should get the book thrown at him, you can think it would have been better if he had been gunned down on the spot, and you can simultaneously think it’s a tragedy that a literal child wasted his life because he grew up around chuds.

              You do understand that we in a world plagued by tragedy? The tragedies you choose to center speaks volumes. Yes, it's horrible that Nazi families are training their child to slaughter anti-racist protesters. They are slaughtering anti-racist protesters. I do not give a shit about the Nazi terrorist doing the killings.

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                Again: he's literally a child. He's 17. By all accounts his brain is a few years from being fully developed. You can't be (rightly) upset about something like the military recruiting 17-year-olds and then turn around and have absolutely zero sympathy for a 17-year-old who gets talked into toting around a gun and shooting someone. That's incoherent.

                The tragedies you choose to center speaks volumes.

                Who's centering this?

                • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                  Again: he’s literally a child. He’s 17. By all accounts his brain is a few years from being fully developed. You can’t be (rightly) upset about something like the military recruiting 17-year-olds and then turn around and have absolutely zero sympathy for a 17-year-old who gets talked into toting around a gun and shooting someone. That’s incoherent.

                  How is that incoherent? I support prevention. White supremacists should not be indoctrinating children. I still do not have sympathy for white supremacist terrorists slaughtering anti-racist supporters.

                  It is disgusting that the military preys on children to carry out their imperial project, too. That does not change the fact a soldier raping and pillaging the Global South is undeserving of sympathy for their actions.

                  Who’s centering this?

                  "In addition to the lives this kid destroyed, his own should be added to the tally of lives ruined by the right. Poor kid, many of us here could have gone the way he did if not for luck and circumstance. Not that it’s any fucking excuse, but goddamnit what a waste"

                  Literally the top comment in this thread, that we both are responding to.

                  "Luck and circumstance" do not wipe away individual choices. This kid chose to slaughter anti-racist protesters last night. Millions of Rightist kids chose not to slaughter anti-racist protesters last night. He is not a "poor kid." He chose to drive into a city he's not from, and kill people.

                  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                    White supremacists should not be indoctrinating children.

                    "But I have no sympathy for any child they indoctrinate."

                    In addition to the lives this kid destroyed, his own should be added to the tally of lives ruined by the right... Not that it’s any fucking excuse

                    I don't know what you think "centering" means, but this ain't it.

                    “Luck and circumstance” do not wipe away individual choices.

                    Exactly zero people in this thread are claiming it does. You can think a child should be held responsible for their actions but still think it's a waste that they were steered into doing something horrible.

                    I mean, give me you take on child soldiers. Kill 'em all, right? Give me your take on some kid who grows up poor and surrounded by violence and then commits a violent crime himself. Send him to the chair, right?

                  • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                    Yes! Why do people pretend like kids have no free will whatsoever. It's so fucking weird.

                    Were the kids who joined the White Rose Society to fight against Nazi occupation still just kids? Are they not heroes, just the product of their environment?

                    People need to have some moral conviction, god fucking dammit.

            • Blurst_Of_Times [he/him,they/them]
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              He's literally a child

              He's literally a Nazi murderer. Besides, it's not like his victims didn't have families. Maybe children.

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                You can think he should get the book thrown at him, you can think it would have been better if he had been gunned down on the spot, and you can simultaneously think it’s a tragedy that a literal child wasted his life because he grew up around chuds.

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      Oh for sure, like I said no excuse, but it’s still tragic