Warning: extremely toxic thread
I thought there was an antiwork community here? Anyways I'm not sure where to put this. Just kinda sucks that the interview didn't go well and that people are shitting on this person and misgendering her for not being a white male factory worker or something.
/r/antiwork is kind of in shambles rn because the mods are trying keep the discourse from spinning out of control but a ton of people there are being transphobic and turning on the mods, and of course the mods are being accused of being authoritarian for trying to run the sub.
I hope the sub can bounce back, but it's a dark day in there for sure.
i hope the head mod is doing ok. i think its a pretty big mistake to go on a major outlet as a trans person when you arent 10000% secure in your positions, viewpoints, and where you are in your transition. like i wouldnt do it without having all my surgeries finished personally, mentally i need my transition to be 'complete' for anything like that. also seems like they had no experience in actually talking with someone irl about this stuff
its also a bad choice to do a call from home and not get dressed up/done up for the call. a lot of politics is optics unfortunately so if you dont even attempt to put on something fancy everyone will just think the person who put more effort in is correct
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i kinda think its risk taking behavior, especially with how theyre responding to the situation. hope theyre doing right mentally :soviet-heart:
this person should never have taken a position of leadership. this is embarrassing.
Based. Fuck society's bullshit expectations. So what I don't stare into your eyes? So what I make myself comfortable by wearing comfy clothes and rocking in my chair? How does that affect you? How does that affect our conversation?
Making a fool of yourself on the premier propaganda outlet of Capitalism is an unforced error. And calling it an unforced error is extremely, extremely generous.
"Making a fool of yourself."
That's ableist bullshit. There's nothing "foolish" about not glaring someone in the eyes constantly, there's nothing foolish about wearing comfortable casual clothes, and there's nothing foolish about rocking for comfort.
What's foolish is expecting people to conform to some bullshit standards that make no difference to the conversation.
When you go to war you don't argue with the clouds about the weather. If it's raining it's raining. Refusing to so much as comb your hair and put on a nice shirt is doing the enemy's work for them. If you don't like it then don't put yourself in a leadership role, or put yourself out as spokesperson for a movement.
"You must conform to societal expectations before you speak out against societal expectations."
Do you not realize how bullshit that is?
Also their hair looks perfectly fine. I've seen Bernie's hair wilder and nobody (besides a couple libs on Twitter maybe) said he lost credibility because of it. And their shirt is just a black hoodie, like completely neutral.
I'm fully aware that it's bullshit, and I also understand that it doesn't matter. The only reason to do a mass media interview is for propaganda purposes. For that propaganda to be effective you need to pander to the expectations of your audience. Refusing to do so is egoistic foolishness.
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This is specifically about opposing capitalism though, which includes opposing its shitty ableist norms.
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That's a shitty comparison and you know it.
I already deleted it a few seconds after I wrote it because of that
lol literally right after I hit reply it disappeared
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You saying it's foolish is ableist.
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the fuck is wrong with you?
" that make no difference to the conversation."
it made a huge difference to the conversation regarding the interview lol. clearly.
The interview was a mistake. What's ableist is saying it's because they weren't looking at the camera, were rocking, or wore a comfy hoodie.
It makes no difference to the interview, to the conversation about anti-work.
well i wish i lived in your world where optics are made up and fake. however half the conversation is about how unprepared they were including presentation. does it materially matter? no. does it matter to 95% of the conversation people are having related to this interview? yes. it does. whether you think that its right or not
Except the presentation wouldn't have mattered if they were actually prepared to answer questions, that's the point. That "95% of the conversation people are having related to this interview" is abelism, that's the point.
And fuck your "optics". "Optics" is lib shit used to put down people who don't conform.
ok well best of luck organizing a nation changing strike with total disregard for even basic PR in the capitalist hegemonic core. hope it works out
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This is literally idealism.
Good for you that you think it shouldn't matter and I agree, but it does matter. This was incredibly stupid and arrogant.
I can't think of any reason to ever do an interview with Fox in any capacity, ever. Not even any funny reasons.