Edit: This person is pretty young from what I've gathered after some reddit searching, so don't like go whole-hog and be weirdos on reddit trying to troll them or anything. This is mostly about how fucking absurd the modding of that subreddit is
editedit: also Anarchism isn't what I'm dunking here. However, post-left anything is not covered in the sectarian treaty
"Post-left" usually means "got a tech job now, fuck you got mine." :agony-minion:
I went through a stage where I was worried that I was being reductionist calling everything I don't like fascism but then I spent six hours reading about how the de-Nazification basically just didn't happen in any meaningful way and now I'm right back on my bullshit.
Fascism wasn't some new, emergent ideology of the 20th century. It was the solidification of the historical reactionary ethos and old world order. Everything looks fascist because fascism is the status quo defending itself from proletarian revolution.
When you see people like aimee therese try to say "im still a leftist" its always so funny and clearly makes no sense
I think the cure, talking heads and joy division are the most mainstream post punk groups from the 70s and 80s so I dunno.
The attempted "revival" of post punk in the 2000s is known for being trash usually.
I find it funny when an alleged anarchist says they don’t read theory because anarchist theory is incredibly in-depth
Man the name of that emote is appropriate, but also I'd never think of it.
It is cut from a scene in which Charlie is ranting about Pepe Silvia not being a real person, when he's actually just illiterate and can't read "Pennsylvania".
im pretty sure a lot of the mutated ass identities and takes that western leftists have come from trying to rationalize the moving left with the ambient red scare anticommunism in our culture
What Post-Left Anarchy Critiques
The Left
critiquing the Left as nebulous, anachronistic, distracting, a failure & at key points a counterproductive force historically ("the left wing of capital")
critiquing Leftist activists for political careerism, celebrity culture, self-righteousness, privileged vanguardism & martyrdom
critiquing the tendency of Leftists to insulate themselves in academia, scenes & cliques while also attempting to opportunistically manage struggles
Ideology
a Stirner-esque critique of dogma & ideological thinking as a distinct phenomenon in favor of "critical self-theory" at individual & communal levels
Note the lack of critiquing capital lmao
This is from the link they posted, they literally have leftism confused with liberalism and made a whole ideology about it
Also :stirner-shocked:
Acting like they invented self-crit is when I had to close the page yeah
thinly veiled anti-communism, go figure
as if we needed a 97th flavor of opportunism
Post Leftists are just Neoreactionaries with some anarchist LARPing layered on the top.
When I see someone call themselves "post-left" out in the internet wild, it often means they want to lick :melon-musk: 's footwear.
Damn, crazy how "online movements" are so easy to sabotage and crash into the ground before taking off. It's almost like the internet is a controlled space, especially on reddit. It fucking sucks for doing anything other than posting during your offline movements.
I argued with this guy in the folk punk subreddit (he asked if folk punk had any post left associations) and I told him he was a lib larping as an anarchist like Vaush and he bitched out and deleted his post. How did he get to mod anything with that thin of a skin.
Lmfao to be fair I'd be pretty heated to be compared to Vaughn myself
One of the antiwork mods is absolutely a fed. Can't remember their name but a well known fed in leftist Reddit moderation circles.
Yeah they need to revert the modlist to before that person joined, would honestly solve a lot of the problems on there.
Created an account specifically to respond to this because I had a surreal interaction with this mod - treat it as an anecdote or w/e
So I was arguing with them on Breadtube about some shit because I noticed that they were consistently posting stuff like “fuck tankies”, constantly goading MLs, sowing discord and shit. So I called them out, listed subreddits that they mod and said something like “probably a mod of a sub like /r/EnoughTankieSpam isn’t the best person to listen to when it comes to the matter of Marxism”. Suddenly, literally in the next 30 minutes, all of my comments in the thread are heavily downvoted and this mod comes back all smug like “yeah I mod all of those communities, so what?”. Literally all of my comments went from +30 to -30 as soon as I called them out. Take what you want from it but from my personal surreal experience - they are manipulating the discussion via botting.
You purport to be anti-work and yet you do it for free. Most peculiar indeed
Postleft anarchist? Does postleft have another meaning? I associate it almost exclusively with terminally online social reactionaries who might use some Marxist language, but I've never seen one identify with anarchism, or even pretend to
post-left doesn't have a good singular definition because its adherents are all over the place. It's been a term for at least 30 years now. The weird online reactionaries are just using the name because I'm pretty sure they were unaware post-left anarchists were a thing.
Their most common feature of post-leftists is they don't really believe in class struggle or abolishing the current conditions. They don't really believe in trying to change anything. They don't even really believe in revolution. They believe a kind of utopian society is possible now by just disentangling from society entirely and forming your own little groups of like minded people. A lot of them think they've somehow unlocked a cheat code for politics that's like "Yo what if you just stopped caring about who the fuckin president is and you stop going to work and just start a garden with some friends?"
It's like if a bunch of people somehow internalized that one right wing argument that you can just be communist on your own plot of land and invent your own new society.
I've seen it from people who are way too into Stirner or Nietzsche and more focused on ""anti-authoritarianism"" than anti-capitalism or anything.
Imagine trying to be "anti-authoritarian" without a mass movement that can confront state violence.
“anti-authoritarian” without a mass movement that can confront state violence
also known as: "stupid-and-wrong-in-the-face-of-authoritarianism"
also known as: "it's brave to defend your friends and the people you love with nothing but your body, but you won't instruct them in martial arts"
. They believe a kind of utopian society is possible now by just disentangling from society entirely and forming your own little groups of like minded people.
oh, so they're white and cishet.
What is weird, people did try this, anarchists fairly explicitly in Europe (and enclaves still exist), but also hippies with communes in usa. How is it post, if it’s an autonomous sort of cell structure from below?
How is it post, if it’s an autonomous sort of cell structure from below?
You may be putting more thought in to this than it's adherents.
Sounds like the sort of navel-gazing bullshit that seems to have dominated Hippy "leftism" back in the 60s.
that's literally what this guy was espousing so ding ding ding you've nailed it
In other words they are doing exactly what the Bourgeois want them too. :fedposting:
Here's a well-known post-left polemic to give an idea of their beliefs https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/nadia-c-from-crimethinc-your-politics-are-boring-as-fuck
holy shit that fucking sucks
this is the liberalism within the left mao warned us about. holy shit
Every time I read this I either think this person is responding to someone incredibly specific or it's just one of the more :jesse-wtf: things I've ever read, because almost none of the things the person is talking about resonate with me
Was having the same reaction. I have no idea where the fuck they're coming from
my best guess is they're responding to a very specific leftist student reading group and assuming such a thing comprises the majority of leftism worldwide
"Hey nerds, ever think of actually doing something instead of just reading boring ass books? Ha, leftism destroyed. Gotcha."
It sounds like a screed from someone who got in to politics to meet people in college and can't believe that other people have real convictions beyond going to parties and hanging out with their friends.
The weirdos on Twitter simply share a name with a different group of losers who came before them.
fake anarchist has brain-meltingly stupid opinions. More news at 420.
I feel that we need an anarchist-led bullying effort to make fun of fake anarchists. Anarchist-led because they're in the best position to issue slaps.
honestly this is what i think the direction of hexbear should be but im just a poster :vivian-shrug:
yea i mean i think the resource this forum provides is invaluable for many things: effortposts on material conditions, leftist reporting of news, lots of people with many different niches of knowledge, and a backlog of useful information to search through posts to find. a big part of me wishes these practical elements could be more emphasized in posting culture, as something that actually has offline application
Anarchists should also have a firm grasp of historical and dialectical materialism. People get caught up too much in century old grudges and aesthetics. These things are tools not identities.
