Someone who walks dogs for ten hours a week and has no labor organizing background, experience or connections is a piss poor representative for the working class and is rightfully being mocked for being unprepared and tone deaf
I swear you all are going to circle the wagons here and defend a sex pest sectarian blunder just because she is trans. Keep walking into these blunders, it’s clear you don’t really ever want to win if you defend this
Nowhere did I say anything transphobic or anti-trans in any way. I merely criticized this woman’s embarrassing display, and then made a secondary criticism of this website’s inability to accept the first criticism
Both of my critiques are right and you know it and it’s why you all got so mad
You're literally the only one who brought up her trans-ness out of nowhere as an attack and insinuates that this site didn't shit on her harder because we're pro trans and thus have to defend her because of that.
How stupid do you think we are? Do you seriously think we're unfamiliar with this tactic?
Just fuckoff to whatever shitty sub:reddit-logo: or discord you hangs out and tell us you owned us idpol sjws epic style.
I didn’t use her trans-ness as an attack against her. I clearly criticized her for tactical errors, sectarianism and general failure at being a spokesperson.
I swear you all are going to circle the wagons here and defend a sex pest sectarian blunder just because she is trans. Keep walking into these blunders, it’s clear you don’t really ever want to win if you defend this
And this
The more you circle the wagons and defend, the more closely they will be tied to being representative of the trans community
If you had just stopped at the dog walker part your argument would be viewed more in good faith and instead of this bullshit we would have a more productive discussion about what constitutes as "labor".
But instead you brought up transgenderism as something of a liability. That it "blinds" us from seeing the truth and engages in identity politic. This is a very typical tactic, social justice is bad because it distracts people from class struggle or something.
Again, just go ahead and take your screenshots and post it in stupidpol spaces. Have a laugh with all the reactionaries you welcome there. If you're not the one doing it then somebody else will so might as well claim your fake internet points.
It’s not a liability and none of my critiques of Doreen were due to her gender or trans status. They were valid critiques of tactical failure.
My point is that on this site, trans-ness is not a liability - in fact it acts as an impenetrable shield that will get people to start telling communists to go to the wall over completely legitimate criticisms. It causes you to act irrationally and defend and indefensible person and situation when you should be dunking instead
If you've been here for longer than a month then you'll know that site have been criticizing r/antiwork long before this thing blew up. We have been denouncing it for various reason: that it's a liberal relief valve, that it took away energy from actual leftism, that it's just PMC capital strike.
The one group we always shut downs in this site with no exception are critics of AES states. Whatever people think about it, this site is unwaveringly pro-China, Cuba, DPRK, etc. Is that what you're complaining about? That we defend DPRK?
There is no victim hood, I’m making a critique about the ways in which this site acts in irrational ways on this subject due to overreaction
Like you’ve managed to put yourself on the side as a Vaush-tier rapist and national embarrassment, calling for the death of communist members of this site. That doesn’t strike you at all as odd?
It’s true on this site, not out in the world. As long as a user claims to be trans they are able to bludgeon and threaten others into irrational anti-materialist positions
This whole argument is so frustrating. I agree that you never said anything transphobic and anyone condemning you for it is wrong. But on that same note, "this website" is not defending an obviously unprepared, unqualified lib because she is trans.
i believe the point of this thread is not to defend the antiwork mod but to mock the (reactionary) trope that workers only look like white guys in construction helmets.
It's this, but this shithead looks to have a bone to pick with her because she's trans and somehow thinks we're defending her for that sole reason.
I have a bone to pick with her because she’s a sectarian anarchist who doesn’t take anything seriously and makes mockery of the left.
I have a bone to pick with this community because they are ignoring that and defending a rapist Vaush-tier internet mod because she happens to be trans. If she was not trans, everyone here would be dunking on them for being a joke.
It wasn’t even a FOX news trap, the anchor get sorry for her and gave her softballs and life advice and was cringing the whole time. This was an entirely unforced error by someone who doesn’t take shit seriously enough to groom themselves or clean their room or prepare talking points
If you aren’t going to wipe your ass or clean the garbage off your desk before going on national tv I sure as hell don’t want you representing my “movements” or “communities”
Do you think Lenin was going around unkempt and disheveled and failing to make coherent points?
No one and I mean no one in here is calling her their representative lol. Are there V*ushites larping as leftists on antiwork and reddit? Yes absolutely. Everyone in here agrees with it. Who is your anger directed at? People are outraged at the fact that reactionaries are using her to attack on trans people and the usage of white people as the face of working class which is frankly bullshit.
Most people on this website found the interview damming, doesn't change the fact that it's yet another example of Fox News taking advantage of someone for cheap dunks
They took advantage of themselves. All I’m saying is FOX could have mauled her and been much more mean, but actually played softball and were quite reserved. It wasn’t some trap.
People have said I should get the wall for merely mentioning that this woman is an embarrassment to the left and should not be in front of cameras in the state she was in. Sounds like she’s likely a rapist too. Keep attacking me and venting your powerless rage into me for being the messenger
You think that transphobia is only when you don't honor preferred pronouns? You keep emphasizing gender like as long as you do that then you're covered and can't possibly be wrong.
Nobody was obsessing over her being trans. Everyone (here) was critiquing or defending her over an entirely different thing. Mostly that people were shitting on dogwalkers and the inevitable struggle session that will bring. You then suddenly bring up that she's trans and keeps dwelling on it and saying it matters. You're the one making an exception based entirely on her being trans. When you pick out that one trait to dwell on specifically and make someone an exception based on it, then you're doing a discrimination.
I swear you all are going to circle the wagons here and defend a sex pest sectarian blunder just because she is trans.
You're implying that we're overlooking her faults to defend her solely because she is tans, which is transphobia, and also what I reported this comment for.
No they're defending her because they either identify with her being chronically online and are assuaging guilt about it or they're NEETs who are also trying to rationalize away guilt of not living up to the myth of the working class, blue collar, roughneck. It is an identity issue, just not that one.
There's a screenshot going around of the Facebook page where the person that went on Fox confesses to it, but I have no idea if it's real or not. You can find the screenshot on r/genzedong I think.
And I’ve never said Doreen sucks on the basis that she is trans. So it seems we are both doing mind reading here, but it’s bad when I do it but good when you do it
Hey, maybe some of us are used to trans people being accused of rape just for existing, dickhead. Given the outbreak of reactionary bullshit over the last 48 hours, I'm here to baseball bat transphobes first and foremost.
If you want an apology, don't hold your breath. You aren't getting one. You provided evidence. You clearly aren't a reactionary here to spread lies. That's good. My policy of assuming otherwise until evidence is provided ain't gonna change.
An October 2020 entry on the site of Anarchist think tank Center for a Stateless Society notes that Ford, who also goes by the name Doreen de Cleyre, was ousted from their organization after being "exposed as a rapist."
Ford states that one person accusing *** of rape had been intoxicated but allegedly told *** that "it wasn't a big deal" if they engaged in sexual activity anyway. Ford states that ** "took them at their word" and had sex with the individual despite their inebriated state, taking them to be "consenting." The person later would then accuse *** of sexual assault, to which Ford responds that ** will be "more responsible in the future when it comes to alcohol."
"After months of trying to keep myself in check, I began sporadically masturbating while they slept next to me," he writes in the undated Facebook post, noting that the individual made it clear that they were uncomfortable with the situation, but that he continued despite the warnings. At one point, Ford put his sleeping partner's hand on his genitals.
It's really disheartening to see all these people rush out to defend a rapist just because she's trans. And then engage in personal attacks as a cope because the evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible.
So there's this cool thing where you can dunk on someone who fucked up without also being a total piece of shit.
Here, check this out:
The r/antiwork mod who went on fox news didn't prepare, ignored their community, and did things that actively damaged their subreddit. "Laziness is a virtue" is about the worst thing they could haven said. They're also hella sus based on that SA stuff floating around.
oh damn that was easy.
What people are complaining about in this thread is that idiots looked at this and instead of focusing on what they did, went after them for who they happen to be. Disliking someone isn't a free pass to be a bigot.
And I was never bigoted, I made fun of an obvious tendency of the users on this site - which is the real reason you are big mad and nothing to do with transphobia
I really don't have to be convinced. That sub was, at best, a place to maybe propagandize to disillusioned people. It's wild to me that people are gnashing their teeth and rending their garmets over it
Someone who walks dogs for ten hours a week and has no labor organizing background, experience or connections is a piss poor representative for the working class and is rightfully being mocked for being unprepared and tone deaf
I swear you all are going to circle the wagons here and defend a sex pest sectarian blunder just because she is trans. Keep walking into these blunders, it’s clear you don’t really ever want to win if you defend this
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Anarcholib who bans tankies and makes a mockery out of the left: defend her honor!!
Communist who points out how dumb this is: wall
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Nowhere did I say anything transphobic or anti-trans in any way. I merely criticized this woman’s embarrassing display, and then made a secondary criticism of this website’s inability to accept the first criticism
Both of my critiques are right and you know it and it’s why you all got so mad
You're literally the only one who brought up her trans-ness out of nowhere as an attack and insinuates that this site didn't shit on her harder because we're pro trans and thus have to defend her because of that.
How stupid do you think we are? Do you seriously think we're unfamiliar with this tactic?
Just fuckoff to whatever shitty sub:reddit-logo: or discord you hangs out and tell us you owned us idpol sjws epic style.
I didn’t use her trans-ness as an attack against her. I clearly criticized her for tactical errors, sectarianism and general failure at being a spokesperson.
Then why this:
And this
If you had just stopped at the dog walker part your argument would be viewed more in good faith and instead of this bullshit we would have a more productive discussion about what constitutes as "labor".
But instead you brought up transgenderism as something of a liability. That it "blinds" us from seeing the truth and engages in identity politic. This is a very typical tactic, social justice is bad because it distracts people from class struggle or something.
Again, just go ahead and take your screenshots and post it in stupidpol spaces. Have a laugh with all the reactionaries you welcome there. If you're not the one doing it then somebody else will so might as well claim your fake internet points.
It’s not a liability and none of my critiques of Doreen were due to her gender or trans status. They were valid critiques of tactical failure.
My point is that on this site, trans-ness is not a liability - in fact it acts as an impenetrable shield that will get people to start telling communists to go to the wall over completely legitimate criticisms. It causes you to act irrationally and defend and indefensible person and situation when you should be dunking instead
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It is the one person dissenting from the irrational mob that is the NPC. :funny-clown-hammer:
The brave conservative stands alone against the SJW hoard.
Yes everyone other than the 22 people still left on this site after all the infighting are all conservatives.
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If you've been here for longer than a month then you'll know that site have been criticizing r/antiwork long before this thing blew up. We have been denouncing it for various reason: that it's a liberal relief valve, that it took away energy from actual leftism, that it's just PMC capital strike.
The one group we always shut downs in this site with no exception are critics of AES states. Whatever people think about it, this site is unwaveringly pro-China, Cuba, DPRK, etc. Is that what you're complaining about? That we defend DPRK?
Why would I be against DPRK, do you see my name? lol
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This thread is proof enough for my thesis
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There is no victim hood, I’m making a critique about the ways in which this site acts in irrational ways on this subject due to overreaction
Like you’ve managed to put yourself on the side as a Vaush-tier rapist and national embarrassment, calling for the death of communist members of this site. That doesn’t strike you at all as odd?
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It’s true on this site, not out in the world. As long as a user claims to be trans they are able to bludgeon and threaten others into irrational anti-materialist positions
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Oh damn you were one of those losers they banned for shitting their pants over pronoun tags huh
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This whole argument is so frustrating. I agree that you never said anything transphobic and anyone condemning you for it is wrong. But on that same note, "this website" is not defending an obviously unprepared, unqualified lib because she is trans.
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ding ding ding
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Everyone: "She's a radlib who LARPed too close to the sun, just don't fucking misgender her."
You, apparently: "omg y r u defending her!?"
:stfu-terf:
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It's this, but this shithead looks to have a bone to pick with her because she's trans and somehow thinks we're defending her for that sole reason.
I have a bone to pick with her because she’s a sectarian anarchist who doesn’t take anything seriously and makes mockery of the left.
I have a bone to pick with this community because they are ignoring that and defending a rapist Vaush-tier internet mod because she happens to be trans. If she was not trans, everyone here would be dunking on them for being a joke.
It’s not sectarianism to attack mods who ban tankies. It’s not sectarianism to attack sectarians
I'd log off if I were you.
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It wasn’t even a FOX news trap, the anchor get sorry for her and gave her softballs and life advice and was cringing the whole time. This was an entirely unforced error by someone who doesn’t take shit seriously enough to groom themselves or clean their room or prepare talking points
Jordan Peterson is that you?
If you aren’t going to wipe your ass or clean the garbage off your desk before going on national tv I sure as hell don’t want you representing my “movements” or “communities”
Do you think Lenin was going around unkempt and disheveled and failing to make coherent points?
No one and I mean no one in here is calling her their representative lol. Are there V*ushites larping as leftists on antiwork and reddit? Yes absolutely. Everyone in here agrees with it. Who is your anger directed at? People are outraged at the fact that reactionaries are using her to attack on trans people and the usage of white people as the face of working class which is frankly bullshit.
:jordan-eboy-peterson:
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No priming needed, 99% of people outside this website would find that interview very damning
Most people on this website found the interview damming, doesn't change the fact that it's yet another example of Fox News taking advantage of someone for cheap dunks
They took advantage of themselves. All I’m saying is FOX could have mauled her and been much more mean, but actually played softball and were quite reserved. It wasn’t some trap.
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I have seen absolutely no one dwelling on her being trans and even if they did, who cares? Weird thing to bring up.
That is literally the only reason anyone here is defending her. She is Vaush tier embarrassment otherwise, nobody would stan
Who is defending her? You're making up people to get mad at.
I gave one comment criticizing her and immediately got 15 frantically typed angry comments.
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People are pissed because the shit you wrote is transphobic, you're not seeing that?
Please point to the transphobia
People have said I should get the wall for merely mentioning that this woman is an embarrassment to the left and should not be in front of cameras in the state she was in. Sounds like she’s likely a rapist too. Keep attacking me and venting your powerless rage into me for being the messenger
You think that transphobia is only when you don't honor preferred pronouns? You keep emphasizing gender like as long as you do that then you're covered and can't possibly be wrong.
Nobody was obsessing over her being trans. Everyone (here) was critiquing or defending her over an entirely different thing. Mostly that people were shitting on dogwalkers and the inevitable struggle session that will bring. You then suddenly bring up that she's trans and keeps dwelling on it and saying it matters. You're the one making an exception based entirely on her being trans. When you pick out that one trait to dwell on specifically and make someone an exception based on it, then you're doing a discrimination.
You're implying that we're overlooking her faults to defend her solely because she is tans, which is transphobia, and also what I reported this comment for.
It’s not transphobia to critique this website and its particular psychoses
Oh shit you have zero reading comprehension lol
No they're defending her because they either identify with her being chronically online and are assuaging guilt about it or they're NEETs who are also trying to rationalize away guilt of not living up to the myth of the working class, blue collar, roughneck. It is an identity issue, just not that one.
who is defending her? There are people literally just saying "don't be a bigot when you dunk on a radlib" lol
:bruh-moment:
:yikes:
You got any evidence for this claim, or are you just engaged in good old-fashioned reactionary bullshit?
There's a screenshot going around of the Facebook page where the person that went on Fox confesses to it, but I have no idea if it's real or not. You can find the screenshot on r/genzedong I think.
https://i.redd.it/sc41gqos44e81.jpg
This is the screenshot for those too lazy to look it up. I don't know where it originally came from though.
Edit: Here are 2 relevant links.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/se7a5t/so_apparently_the_former_antiwork_mod_who_went_on/
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/sdpvkx/so_apparently_the_rantiwork_mod_may_also_be_a_sex/
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Watch them keep calling me an evil reactionary transphobe who should get the wall and defending this woman
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I did criticize her for being a sex pest and got screamed at until I posted sources of them admitting it, and then… silence.
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And I’ve never said Doreen sucks on the basis that she is trans. So it seems we are both doing mind reading here, but it’s bad when I do it but good when you do it
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Fair, I am getting spammed with a lot of replies many of which are calling for my death. You can see why this is getting out of hand
Hey, maybe some of us are used to trans people being accused of rape just for existing, dickhead. Given the outbreak of reactionary bullshit over the last 48 hours, I'm here to baseball bat transphobes first and foremost.
Oh ok, as long as you just assume I don’t have evidence and am a reactionary then it’s fine
If you want an apology, don't hold your breath. You aren't getting one. You provided evidence. You clearly aren't a reactionary here to spread lies. That's good. My policy of assuming otherwise until evidence is provided ain't gonna change.
An October 2020 entry on the site of Anarchist think tank Center for a Stateless Society notes that Ford, who also goes by the name Doreen de Cleyre, was ousted from their organization after being "exposed as a rapist."
https://archive.is/M1UvP
https://www.reduxx.info/post/trans-r-antiwork-moderator-admitted-to-serial-rape-allegations
Ford states that one person accusing *** of rape had been intoxicated but allegedly told *** that "it wasn't a big deal" if they engaged in sexual activity anyway. Ford states that ** "took them at their word" and had sex with the individual despite their inebriated state, taking them to be "consenting." The person later would then accuse *** of sexual assault, to which Ford responds that ** will be "more responsible in the future when it comes to alcohol."
"After months of trying to keep myself in check, I began sporadically masturbating while they slept next to me," he writes in the undated Facebook post, noting that the individual made it clear that they were uncomfortable with the situation, but that he continued despite the warnings. At one point, Ford put his sleeping partner's hand on his genitals.
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OK here's an anarchist one. https://archive.is/M1UvP
Ford, who is also known as Doreen de Cleyre, was ousted from their organization after being "exposed as a rapist."
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Would you prefer Facebook?
https://i.redd.it/sc41gqos44e81.jpg
Doreen is a rapist and was an exceptionally poor choice to represent the community.
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:cope:
Wow I wonder what angle you're working here? Hmmm, what the mystery!
Exposing a :reddit-logo: mod as a rapist? What a surprise.
The real surprise is watching all the people defend her. This one is cut and dried folks: rapist = bad.
It's cute you and your bud keep trying.
It's really disheartening to see all these people rush out to defend a rapist just because she's trans. And then engage in personal attacks as a cope because the evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible.
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Holy shit you don't need to defend her. She doesn't get a pass solely because of her identity
How are you defending this? These are literal screenshots from her Facebook account
Are you commenting at me?
Whoops meant to @HexusBearington my bad
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Well it just recently surfaced that she has done some very problematic stuff.
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Because you said something about your commitments within the past 24 hours which may not necessarily be relevant
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https://reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/sdpvkx/so_apparently_the_rantiwork_mod_may_also_be_a_sex/
Wtf is your last paragraph Jesus Christ
Like clockwork.
Lots of people are using this whole thing as an excuse to be transphobic and ableist. It's getting pretty rank now.
This is what was pissing me off earlier, I could see all this coming from a mile away. Fucking shitshow.
Yeah it sucks a ton. It dehumanizes people for no reason and makes us feel worthless.
Waiting for the :ban-hammer: to drop on all these dorks
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The stupidpol purge shouldn't have stopped.
This website has like 23 active users. There’s nobody to purge lol, you all made sure of that already
Well then lets made it 22.
No introspection at all for why you are in this predicament
Waaaaah waaaaaah the mods won't let me be a reactionary!!
He said, to a mostly empty room in a mostly empty building
I'll catch you on your next account you make when this one gets banned and you meltdown lmao
Yeah I know they spammed me early on in the beginning with hateful DM's.
The mods took care of it though.
I don’t put pronouns for anti-doxxing reasons. Stupidpol is dumb
Whoa you sure convinced me!
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So there's this cool thing where you can dunk on someone who fucked up without also being a total piece of shit.
Here, check this out:
The r/antiwork mod who went on fox news didn't prepare, ignored their community, and did things that actively damaged their subreddit. "Laziness is a virtue" is about the worst thing they could haven said. They're also hella sus based on that SA stuff floating around.
oh damn that was easy.
What people are complaining about in this thread is that idiots looked at this and instead of focusing on what they did, went after them for who they happen to be. Disliking someone isn't a free pass to be a bigot.
And I was never bigoted, I made fun of an obvious tendency of the users on this site - which is the real reason you are big mad and nothing to do with transphobia
lmao your writing has ultra energy, are you that dude who kept boofing 8 balls of cocaine and writing weird anger rants until they got banned?
edit: oh my god, he never responded, I figured it out!
I only saw one user tried to make an argument for this mod, the others were criticizing her for potentially taking the air out of the whole movement.
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Uhhh, what about being a sex pest?
https://reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/sdpvkx/so_apparently_the_rantiwork_mod_may_also_be_a_sex/
What the fuck
See why maybe this site shouldn’t be choosing this particular hill to die on?
I really don't have to be convinced. That sub was, at best, a place to maybe propagandize to disillusioned people. It's wild to me that people are gnashing their teeth and rending their garmets over it
https://archive.is/M1UvP
Ford aka Doreen de Cleyre was ousted from the anarchist Center for a Stateless Society after being "exposed as a rapist."
I agree with you