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This is why I feel it's important to consume some utopian left content. The end goal (classless, stateless, moneyless) is the same, we're just trying to figure out the best way to get there.
God you're so right. Like as someone who still thinks of themselves as anarchist it's like well duh I'm closer to ML then fucking libertarian or facists.
Like ML and anarchists agree on alot. I share essentially no practical beliefs with any libertarian.
I honestly didn't think Sectarianism from the erased "internet stuff". I just thought of the strawman PolComp brains like to imagine LibLeft is.
If you dont even have the gumption to call yourself an anarchist or a socialist and insist on rehabbing a term like libertarianism into the left then I think you shouldn't be greeted as a comrade honestly. We shouldnt be making up words to pretend or hide what we want: the abolition of private property.
Right, and no one of any historical significance on the left has used it since then. Why would you? If your politics are that consumed by optics you arnt even a :libertarian-approaching:, youre just a :LIB:
but what will i do without my personality that ive laboriously crafted to fit around a color and a coordinate on a graph
Or just replace Auth and lib with :top-use-words: and :bottom-speak:
I don't know I read about a spanish anarchist and bank robber who claimed that bank robbing was a job because it involved danger similar to bulfighting
I don't think anyone of any political orientation should be identifying as any quadrant of the political compass, including my anarchist comrades, because the political compass is made up horsie doodoo with no bearing on reality
The entirety of it is made up internet stuff
Brazenly insulting someone and then refusing to elaborate on what they did smells like wrecker shit
Your behavior reeks of wrecker regardless, and posting like that makes it easier for actual wreckers to blend in. If the accusation bothers you, then I'd suggest either actually telling Eugene_V_Dabs what your problem with their post is or finding something better to do. Your vague hostility isn't helping anyone, least of all yourself.
Oh my god dude, I wanted why you believed that. This is an incredibly common phrase. Quit fucking with me.
The more you dodge what I've asked of you repeatedly, the worse this conversation gets. I will take this as long as we need to go. I will slap fight the shit out of you.
OK, lets set literally everything we've talked about so far to the side. Why do you believe that this specific post does not qualify as sectarianism. If you cannot answer this specific question I am done talking to you.
That being said, this post in no way brings that connotation. It brings the connotation that Anarchists are all woo-woo hippies who have never accomplished a thing.
the political spectrum:
[ communism ---- socialism ---- dem soc / soc dem -- liberalism ---- fascism ]
Sorry for the short break from shitposting, but this is a good video for any who haven't seen it:
(Other) libs might get a little mad at being grouped with fascists, but it's not my fault that it's true. (There. Shitposting re-engaged. Hope that and the awesome caliber of the video make up the difference.)
Pretty sure they got it from the old Chapo Subreddit where one of us made it
Always disappointing to see so many begin to reject the culturally hegemonic framing that there is no alternative to capitalism but fall on the last hurdle before realizing the same forces are what are convincing you that there is no alternative to the state.
Anyone accepting the framing of this comic that anarchism is "made up internet stuff"
Yeah this is just saying that anarchists actually aren't as far from ML's as they think they are
As Made Up Internet Person, this is sectarianism against me. I am NOT an anarchist OR a pedophile!
this is a continuation of tweens on genzedong laughing about anarchists ackshully all being right wing
cmon you can't just drop an hour youtube video for your explanation, i absolutely will not watch that
I get the argument but my only experiences with genzedong are seeing their users glibly claim left anarchism isn't real in other subs then retreat back to genzedong and get massively upvoted for retelling their tales of dunking on people telling them left anarchism exists. so i'm pretty sure whoever posted this to genzedong knew their audience and didn't need to elucidate on their commonly shared belief
hey, it's good that they do that thing, but they're definitely not engaged in any kind of left unity project
No doubt they do that too but the instances I'm referring to involved denying the existence of left anarchism exists
The political spectrum is indeed bullshit but the whole compass isn't greyed out as made up internet stuff, the choices give away the intent of the author. Clumsily crossing out the word authoritarian also does not delete the cultural context, we all know what the author thinks "really wanting it" means.
your interpretation is valid, but I think the reddit op intended a much more sectarian interpretation
Yeah, but anarchists have a whole discourse about the ethical deployment of violence and they call that discourse anti authoritarianism.
This is pretty clearly anti anarchist
Yeah, libertarian anti authoritarianism is about private vs state control, while anarchist authoritarianism is about when it's acceptable to be violent and how to hold revolutionaries accountable and things like that. They're just incongruous and representing them as a single axis is incoherent.
That said, it's one of the main differences between anarchists and MLs and I think it's inappropriate to erase that.
I certainly don't think you're doing sectarianism, I don't think you made the meme. I'm criticizing the meme and the source of the meme, genzedong.
tbh, my own experience of lurking a lot is that anarchists seem to prefer centrist libs to tankies. Or at least a lot of people who call themselves anarchists.
