It really does just show how insulated they are from American imperialism and the death and sheer misery it rains down on the rest of the world.

Trump sucked ass too, but to say he's worse than a man who started unjust wars that killed millions because he put out mean tweets is just fucking disgusting.

  • Quimby [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    Imagine if Bush had tried to steal an election! :side-eye-1: :side-eye-2:

  • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    i couldnt even vote, Bush was the first politician i hated. 20 years later everyone has forgotten how many times the govt has lied in order to start war or to create the pretense for war. plus he is the reason we are in this 9/11 world, Trump is just continuing it. Well, Obama did too, I was just a lib back then though.

  • pppp1000 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Or how they think Biden isn't equally worst as Trump.

    • Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      My guess is that Biden's sanctions on Afghanistan alone will end up killing more people than Trump's increased drone war. Yea, Trump also sanctioned the shit out of Venezuela, Cuba, Yemen, Syria etc., but Biden is continuing all of that anyway, so no difference there.

    • Fleewithme [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Neither Trump nor Obama were in charge of the drone strikes. They merely had to rubber stamp the decisions made by the Pentgon and State Department, the real rulers in America. Had either of them not done so, they would be designated as domestic enemies and dealt with accordingly. Heck, this actually happened to Trump. Obama was more compliant.

  • Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Even by Trump's own metrics, Bush was worse (or more successful, depending how you look at it).

    BUSH AT LEAST BUILT THE DAMN WALL - https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s262

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  • Ziege_Bock [any]
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    2 years ago

    I think the one important thing that I heard Chapo Trap House say is that American Politics is Sexual Pathology. When Trump became president, half of America internally shouted "you're not my Dad!" because the conception of the American president as both the American head of state and nation imbues the office with almost a psycho-sexual importance to most Americans. It doesn't matter if he sponsors terror armies in Central America, or sells your kids' future, or kills a million people in Iraq. If he conforms enough to the ideal of the judicious and beneficent patriarch while gas is cheap, he's a good president.

    • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      He just wasn't presidential, you know? Dad usually has more gravitas.

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Libs suck for this and yes this is still their fault for thinking this way but blame also lies with the media. They chose to reframe the question. The question stops involving the actions of Bush The President and re-centers to Bush The Man. It's the new narrative. Oh but he paints now. Oh he gave Michelle a tootsie roll, or he said Trump was bad. They were so willing to believe this could motivate Republicans to disown Trump that they latched onto it harder than those Republicans. They rehabilitated a foe for propaganda purposes. Very "we go high" shit when you look at it that way, right? The political forebears of these people are also the ones that allowed Nixon to resign because it would "look bad" or be a "stain" of some kind if they prosecuted him. They are so naive and it gets people killed so yeah it is infuriating.

    As for Bush: People don't just get Thanos snapped out of existence. When they die they leave holes in the lives of everyone that knew them. If we only killed 500,000 Iraqis with our foreign policy, IF only that number, we are still talking of millions and even tens of millions of victims who had to live through grief and carry on.

    My grandmother remembers her childhood during the Great Depression, even more clearly now as her short term memory is fading as she nears the end of her life. I can't imagine what the USA foreign policy did to the people of Iraq, it is so vast I cannot comprehend it.

  • Cromalin [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    The one thing Bush has over Trump is I don't think he's a rapist. Not that I'd be surprised if he was, just to my knowledge there aren't any accusations.

    (I want to be clear this isn't me excusing the heinous shit Bush did, just the one thing I can think of where he isn't as bad as or worse than Trump.)

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      The one thing Bush has over Trump is I don’t think he’s a rapist.

      I don't think he's raped anyone recently.

      But when you're a Yale-y frat boy drunk and coke head with a failed engagement under his belt and a host of Midland shit kicker oil buddies? I'm not ruling it out.

      Dude's got "date rape" written all over him. He just didn't brag about it on a hot mic.

      • Cromalin [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Like I said, I would believe it in a heartbeat, but at least he doesn't have any accusers, which is something he has over every other president from the last 40 years except Obama.

  • RepublicansAreScum [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Uh huh. You know those wars bush started had like 60-70% approval from the braying Amerikan public?

    Trump was worse because he represented (white) minority rule. Nearly everything he did had either razor thin or sub-45% approval. Sorry