Where the fuck is her facial hair?!

  • techpun [any]
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    2 years ago

    It's such a short step between criticizing character design and :reddit-logo: getting racist about the whole thing ("see, diversity bad! :so-true:") that I've decided I kind of just don't give a fuck. PJ's LOTR is only one visualization of the novels, and Tolkien himself had like one line in an appendix about how dwarves of both sexes have beards. Shit, Hugo Weaving was way too old to play an elf that's meant to be ethereally beautiful and youthful, and we all laud that depiction regardless. Tom Bombadil had more narrative impact than the beards of dwarves and that dude's cut from everything.

    • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Pre-Jackson adaptations of LotR were honestly nice in that they were way more varied than what we saw for a long-ass time after the movies -- which, to be fair, are a great visualization in their own right, they just led to a generation of visual (and ethnic) homogeneity.

      One of the old LotR animated films basically depicted Aragorn as vaguely indigenous / "Native American-y", for example. EDIT: https://youtu.be/orLz433Cf-g maybe it's just me, I dunno. Also i forgot he was voiced by John Hurt.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        something I appreciate about pre-Jackson LotR was there was a kind of unspoken agreement to make it very dreamlike and deliberately unrealistic. I always liked that kind of soft, surreal aesthetic of fantasy way more than all the gritty realistic stuff that came later. I like when things are inexplicable, like when Bilbo steals the coin purse from the trolls and it can talk.

    • Crowtee_Robot [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      This should be the official party position. Tolkien and race is way too thorny of an issue to get lost in the weeds arguing about dwarves.

      • fox [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Tolkien was a Brit living in imperialist Britain writing mythology based around Anglo-Saxon myths. It's a miracle it's good. Death of the Author that shit and depict any character however they want that still fits the characterization.

        • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Tolkien might be second only to Nietzsche on having his work be loved by white-supremacists despite absolutely hating them.

          A decent summary of how much Tolkien's work doesn't actually support the reactionary whitewashing bs against the casting:

          https://old.reddit.com/r/RingsofPower/comments/sq9a1k/on_casting_critiques_of_the_rings_of_power_from_a/

    • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Tom Bombadil had more narrative impact than the beards of dwarves and that dude’s cut from everything.

      Which I remain mad about to this day.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      This shit is hilarious cause they have clearly never read anything of the books

  • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Honestly would have loved if they did the facial hair, or at least gave them stylized sideburns. Don't know if its just me but always disappointing that lots of modern fantasy and sci-fi schlock with million dollar budgets never go hog wild when designing characters from other races in the fictional worlds (like how there were barely any knew or consistent alien characters in the new star wars).

  • joaomarrom [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    She should absolutely have a beard, extra points if it's curly and soft and full of jewels and shit. I think it would be a really cool challenge for the costume designers to turn something that's so inherently male into something feminine.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      She's supposed to be a ruler of Moria during its hey day, she should be like laughing solid gold Homer Simpson

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Whereas Numenoreans and their descendants DONT have beards. Aragorn physically couldnt grow a beard

    • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Lord of the Rings is not evolutionary biology. These races were created by gods a few thousand years before the story. Sit down.

    • unperson [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      🤷🏻‍♀️ bats are pitch black and they never see the Sun. It makes sense in a cave, it's stealthier and they can get their vitamin D from mushrooms.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      You are being an absolute dork. There is very very very little of the dwarves covered in the text but it's known that some took dwelling in the further eastern mountains a LONG time back and we'll, most people from there have darker skin

  • Fartbutt420 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I dunno doesn't it look like she kinda has sideburns? But it's hard to tell. This might be a case of airbrushing the photos for the Vanity Fair spread than anything else.