Wikipedia is definitely credible trust me bro they’re listening to unbiased UKRAINIAN propaganda instead of conniving Russian propaganda

  • Bratsva1 [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Is this place unironically pro-Russia? Like just because America and Russia don't like each other, doesn't mean you have to suck off Russia to satisfy your hate for your own country.

    Russia started an unnecessary war that will not contribute to anything. If they had just sent troops to secure Dontesk and Luhansk, fine, but this whole invasion off the country is way past the line off reasonable.

    Edit: The 40+ value is only for the first day off fighting and haven't been updated since. So people are throwing a fit over old info that is not valid anymore

    • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      this is actually fucking propaganda though. this doesn't conform to reality. you don't need to love russia to point out misinformation

      • Bratsva1 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Russia isn't releasing any stats for deaths, so what exactly would they put up? The "expert" opinions off people on here?

        • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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          3 years ago

          given the choice between posting nothing and posting hilarious propaganda, the obvious responsible choice is to post nothing

          • Bratsva1 [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            The fog of war means no one knows what is actually happening. Plus who would decide what is "propaganda"? You? It says according to Ukrainian claims above the stats, so anyone with any critical thinking should know there is some bias

            • NuraShiny [any]
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              3 years ago

              2800 killed vs 40 killed. Some Bias. Wild.

              Please tell us more of your amazing wisdom, you're doing so very well so far!

              • Bratsva1 [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                Check the source and those are stats from the first day and haven't been updated since. So are people just upset that up to date stats aren't being posted if no one is reporting?

                • NuraShiny [any]
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                  3 years ago

                  Are you shook? I ask because you replied the same fucking thing to me three times.

                  These stats were obviously false on day 1 as well so I don't see how you are making a good argument.

                  • Bratsva1 [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    Shook, hot and bothered. Also the first day was mostly just air strikes on Ukrainian ports and airports, where the aim was to just damage the infrastructure, so believeable

                • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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                  3 years ago

                  doesn't matter, under no reasonable circumstances should that data have been allowed to stay up there uncritically for as long as it did if wikipedia cared one semblance about factuality. If there's no verifiable information, you should put up no information.

                • ShareThatBread [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  The “source” is the BBC reporting on a Facebook post which they then explicitly state the figures are not verifiable. Fucking moron.

            • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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              3 years ago

              Yes, exactly. A hilarious, utterly-disconected-from-reality level of bias that renders any info from that source completely farcical. I'm glad you see the problem.

        • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          literally just add "unconfirmed" if it needs to be there. it's against their own policy, though they def don't care.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_or_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves #2

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox_or_means_of_promotion #1

          • Bratsva1 [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Every claim about a war could be labeled as "unconfirmed". Everything about WW2 and any major war could be labeled as that. You seem to just be petty about this type off things.

            • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              ww2 is one of the most heavily documented events in history. this is an ongoing event where information is king. these are not comparable, i'd suggest you shut the fuck up before you umm actually your way into denying the holocaust as a hypothetical given your ww2 comparison.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      Is it gonna be necessary to add a mandatory "fuck Russia" section to any posts criticising or making fun of Ukraine now like this is :reddit-logo:?

      • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        inb4 mods putting hasan's spinning "vladimir putin bad" cube next to the logo because people have zero object permanence :michael-laugh:

      • Bratsva1 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        No.... but the discourse seems to be that Russia is justified in this unnecessary war because "Fuck America"? The world isn't some binary between good and evil like people on here like to image.

        • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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          3 years ago

          Chill the fuck out with "Oh you're fellating Russias hairy balls" shit then if you're concerned about nuance.

          Edit: oh wait lol hour old account, nice

        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The world isn’t some binary between good and evil like people on here like to image.

          Yeah, we need more nuance, like uncritically believing some of the Ukrainian propaganda instead of none of it. Give lies a chance!

    • NuraShiny [any]
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      3 years ago

      Yea it's pro Russia to point out that this is a clear falsehood. We are all personally sucking Putin's dick in here and it's really hard to get a spot so anyone not on it at any given second posts pro Russia propaganda here.

      • Bratsva1 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Ya but the poster also conviently left out the other sections that say "Claims according to Russia"

        • NuraShiny [any]
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          3 years ago

          Doesn't matter. These stats are utter garbage, everyone knows it.

          Quite frankly if this amateur hour garbage is their idea of propaganda, I do think Russia is winning.

    • OrionsMask [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Weird to be making this statement on a post criticizing propaganda that is so insulting to one's intelligence that it boggles the mind they'd even bother making it up. Apparently not tolerating such misinformation is now fellating Russia.