So the US is going to end civilization i guess. Not that surprising, guess it's cool we get to see it.
I cant think about it anymore right now without going insane
Yeah it lines up with the obsession with end times Christianity and nonstop aggression for the past 80ish years.
Idk if it can be stopped.
Like how would have wwii looked if the nazis started out with a massive nuclear armament?
“Well, the rapture is coming”
In Catholic school I had a 5th grade teacher who told us the end times were coming because the book of Revelation talks about the fall of an evil empire precipitating the end times. She believed that empire was the USSR lol
It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of *checks notes*
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I need to move to some low pop community in Appalachia or something lmao
The People's Republic of Tierra del Fuego, the last country on Earth.
Some of us might get to "see" (read, die slow, agonizing deaths through) it. The rest of us will be dribbling shrimp fried rice from our ear canals and won't have much of a chance to observe anything. :doomer:
The US needs a revolution before the empire goes suicidal and fries the world in nuclear fire.
The Ukraine situation shows there will be no revolution in the US. When the interests of the empire are threatened, the working class unite behind the oligarchs.
Even if the current system is toppled from the inside, it will only be replaced with something worse.
US military planners seem completely delusional. It's terrifying. How are they planning to "disarm" a nuclear power???
I'll take 15 mercenaries getting hogtied in Venezuela over whatever the liberal ghouls are planning for the entire world any day of the week.
Say what you will about Trump, he was so incompetent his administration couldn't even do the evil things the empire wanted to do.
Eh...it's not dictated, but it is influenced. Trump actually de-escalated things with Russia and North Korea, while the Democrats were busy trying to use Russiagate to pressure him into doing the opposite. (Of course, relations with Iran and China are another matter....)
See in the case of Trump most of that was political theater. He might have withheld some weapons to Ukraine to pressure them into giving him dirt on Biden, but he still approved hundreds of millions in weapons to them, he's the reason why they even have Javelins. Maidan happened under Obama and even he refused to send them weapons.
His summits in North Korea were also inconsequential, the US didnt go through with any deescalation and North Korea kept their Nuclear Program. Its even come out since then that he actually floated Nuclear War with them. The biggest thing he did was temporarily lift some sanctions, he was just chasing a Nobel Peace Prize like during most of his administration.
How the fuck are they planning to ''disarm'' Russia? If NATO troops ever enter Russian territory it's going to be bye-bye
Yup. There is also a threat to nuke China if they “invade Taiwan” in there.
if the US is going to get nuked by Russia anyway, then they're going to blanket nukes all over China and India and probably Africa too, because :lmayo:
it would be stupid for China not to invade (forget Taiwan, but rather invade Alaska/Canada) in a situation like that
After Russia fires all of its nukes at Europe and America, it will have no nukes left.
Checkmate, Putin.
What about nuclear war?
You've already had it
We had one, yes. But what about second nuclear war?
I remember a certain fascist empire that thought it could fight on more fronts than it actually could, lets hope this one crumbles quicker and hurts fewer people. Twice as farce and all that
There’s a good chance balkanization would be heavily split along the lines of who did and did not have silos in their state before the collapse. So each new country would end up with a small stockpile assuming it didn’t end in nuclear war first
Glorious Kingdom of Texas launching nukes at individual houses reported as potentially having trans folk in them.
Maintaining nukes is not easy and they need pretty regular maintenance from what I understand.
I feel like if there was anything they would spend money on it would be world ending weapons. They're still the only country with a first strike policy on record and have admitted they'll nuke China under certain circumstances like "invading" Taiwan :doomjak:
Balkanized US just sounds like a Fallout or Far cry scenario :so-true:
Well so much for Russia being smart enough to not invade. I guess the imperialists managed to provoke exactly what they wanted.
but our friends in China need to understand that these political elites have the will, resources, and power to wage two wars against China and Russia at the same time and are not afraid to use nuclear weapons.
If these wars occur they will make Vietnam and Afghanistan look like unopposed victories.
They'll make Ukraine look like a Lads' Night Out.
Never even mind nukes. Imagine the absolute horror of a city like Shanghai being subjected to a ballistic missile salvo. Or the consequences of a California-wide coastal blackout lasting months or even years. Imagine the inevitable domestic alignments, resulting in the ethnic cleansing of foreigners. The grisly march across the ocean by 21st century navies staffed with nothing but teenage reservists and veteran psychos. The horror of it would scar the entire Pacific Rim for a thousand years.
Trump is irrational harm haphazardly targeted at whomever.
Biden is focused harm directed at the traditional enemies of America.
Both types are harm are diluted by Trump and Biden's senility, so I suppose the worse case would be someone actually competent winning an election.
maybe china will just nuke DC and give us a chance to surrender
Kroenig finally put nuclear weapons on the table. “Relying more on nuclear weapons to offset our adversary’s local conventional advantage [is necessary]”, he states. He goes on to explain that “The U.S. can rely on threatening non-strategic nuclear strikes as a deterrent and as a last resort to thwart China’s amphibious invasion of Taiwan or Russia’s tank invasion of Europe”.
A thing that is mentioned even less than the past 8 years (plus) of U.S./NATO history with Ukraine is the fact that the demands Russia published a little while ago for NATO to pull back was at least in part due to U.S./NATO openly talking about the use of "flexible" nuclear first strikes (and doing practice runs in large military exercises) and refusing to even acknowledge challenges to that doctrine. It's funny how people are still talking "deterrent" and "last resort" when the U.S. itself is waaaaay past that consideration and possibly verging right into the "IDK maybe we'll nuke them just because" territory.
Wars, Bailouts, and Elections - Noam Chomsky interviewed by David Barsamian, 2008-09-08
Plus the standard neoliberal programs, which cut back the Russian economy by some huge amount, maybe 50 percent, led to millions of deaths — the number of deaths probably wasn’t all that different from Stalin’s purges, there are various estimates — devastated the country, and enriched the leadership, which is what they wanted. That was their goal. We’ll become rich while increasing the security threats by expanding NATO to the east.
All of this is described as if it were benign. Strobe Talbott, who was the highest official in the Clinton administration responsible for Eastern Europe and an honest, authentic liberal, recently described this on NPR, in which he said that it was a difficult decision, but we concluded that it was a benign thing to do because NATO is not a military alliance, it’s just a friendly alliance. So, for example, if the Warsaw Pact had survived and they were bringing in Canada and Mexico, we would think that it’s just a Quaker meeting, so what do we care.
Bush II came along and extended it. The so-called missile defense systems, which have nothing to do with missile defense — they’re understood on both sides to be essentially first-strike weapons, not as they now stand but as they potentially might develop. They’re a strategic threat to Russia. Strategic analysts on the U.S. side recognize that and have written about it. Step after step was taken to show the Russians: We’re just going to kick you in the face. We won. Your problem. Now we’re going to kick you in the face and take everything.
Finally, as Matlock (Reagan’s and Bush’s ambassador) pointed out, the Russians just decided they’re not going to take any more and they put their foot down. That’s what happened in Georgia.
Threat of a US and Russian Nuclear War Is Now at Its Greatest Since 1983 by Scott Ritter, 2020-03-03
When the Commander of NATO says he is a fan of flexible first strike at the same time that NATO is flexing its military muscle on Russia’s border, the risk of inadvertent nuclear war is real....
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Sergey Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister stated that “We note with concern that Washington’s new doctrinal guidelines considerably lower the threshold of nuclear weapons use.” Lavrov added that this doctrine had to be viewed in the light “of the persistent deployment of US nuclear weapons on the territory of some NATO allies and the continued practice of the so-called joint nuclear missions.”
Rather than embracing a policy of “flexible first strike,” Lavrov suggested that the US work with Russia to reconfirm “the Gorbachev-Reagan formula, which says that there can be no winners in a nuclear war and it should never be unleashed.” This proposal was made 18 months ago, Lavrov noted, and yet the US has failed to respond.
Complicating matters further are the “Defender 2020” NATO military exercises underway in Europe, involving tens of thousands of US troops in one of the largest training operations since the end of the Cold War. The fact that these exercises are taking place at a time when the issue of US nuclear weapons and NATO’s doctrine regarding their employment against Russia is being actively tracked by senior Russian authorities only highlights the danger posed.
U.S./NATO threats heighten tension with Russia by John Catalinotto, 2021-12-22
Washington has threatened economic and diplomatic sanctions against Russia over the conflict with Ukraine and has raised the possibility of military action. In an interview with Fox News Dec. 7, Mississippi Republican Senator Roger Wicker even discussed U.S. troop intervention and a nuclear first strike!
Moscow countered with a series of demands on the U.S. government and the NATO military alliance. These demands would prevent NATO’s further military penetration toward the Russian border and stop NATO from absorbing other states in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus region. Some of these countries border Russia or were part of the Soviet Union before 1991.
NATO is an aggressive military alliance under U.S. leadership. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact in the early 1990s, the U.S. has mobilized its imperialist allies within NATO behind its attempt to reconquer former colonial countries worldwide. These countries had won some sovereignty when the Soviet Union existed; examples include Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Libya.
Nuclear Weapons are a Nightmare Made in America by Rob Urie, 2018-11-16
During the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, senior members of the George H.W. Bush administration promised to keep NATO troops and equipment away from the Russian border in exchange for Russian agreement that the reintegrated East and West Germany would fall within NATO’s sphere.
After (Bill) Clinton unilaterally abandoned the promise, Russia began rebuilding its short and intermediate range nuclear arsenal to counter the NATO threat being amassed on its borders. This was followed by an American sponsored coup in Ukraine that threatened the annexation of the Russian naval port at Sevastopol, Crimea.
In response, Barack Obama proposed a trillion dollar ‘modernization’ program that shifted emphasis toward battlefield nuclear weapons of the type NATO might use against Russia in a ‘conventional’ war. Largely hidden is that this emphasis on ‘tactical’ nuclear weapons is taking place with the American Cold War weapons and plans for total nuclear annihilation still in place.
Large-scale Ukrainian-American military exercise strengthens cooperation by Sgt. 1st Class Chad Menegay (U.S. Army), 2021-10-04
U.S. Army Europe and Africa successfully organized and helped execute a massive and complex multinational exercise at the largest training area in Ukraine, the International Peacekeeping and Security Centre near Yavoriv.
To strengthen allied and partner nations’ capacities to more effectively defend themselves, about 300 U.S. Soldiers worked tactically alongside about 6,000 multinational troops from 15 nations under the banner of Partnership for Peace, a cooperative program for NATO and Euro-Atlantic partner countries, Sept. 20 - Oct. 1.
