• MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    This is why BMF is the greatest poster on this site or any other. Holding onto 9/11 footage for over 20 years for a bit is so far beyond what anybody else here is capable of.

    • TankieTanuki [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Several years later I was reading the last Harry Potter novel and God used this following passage to make the lightbulb go off.

      Extract from passage:

      Snape raised his eyebrows and his tone was sardonic as he asked, “Are you intending to let him kill you?” “Certainly not. You must kill me.” There was a long silence, broken only by an odd clicking noise. Fawkes the phoenix was gnawing a bit of cuttlebone. “Would you like me to do it now?” asked Snape, his voice heavy with

      irony. “Or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?” “Oh, not quite yet,” said Dumbledore, smiling. “I daresay the moment will present itself in due course. Given what has happened tonight,” he indicated his withered hand, “we can be sure that it will happen within a year.” “If you don’t mind dying,” said Snape

      roughly, “why not let Draco do it?” “That boy’s soul is not yet so damaged,” said Dumbledore. “I would not have it ripped apart on my account.” “And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?”

      And at last, I knew the truth of David in 1 Chr 22…. A wave of pain, sadness and great loss crashed over me. God. God. What about my soul? I asked.

      In war a piece of our soul is lost on the battlefield and it can never be replaced in this life. That is why David could not build the temple. But David’s hope was that in the next life God restores our soul. We know that in Christ our body and soul will rise again perfected.

      Let us Pray. God we pray for those some 3000 that died on these fields as their life blood flowed out. Also we pray for those 100,000 who spilled that life blood and left a piece of their soul on this battlefield. Amen

  • mr_world [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Wow it would really suck if "Russia" nuked a US city right now. A city like NYC that is the old center of financial power. It's not like there's a new order in California of fintech ready to replace it should it fall. It would just be so surprising if a US city was nuked. Then continuity of government kicked in, a hapless senile President was retired and the private-public partnership military industry took over. Surely nobody is planning on retooling the US government as a major power against China and haven for the wealthy during climate wars.

    Anyways. We gotta get that Putin guy, he has nukes.

    • Clicheguevara [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      They don't need to do that. Not to say murdering millions of American innocents isn't on the table, they just don't need to bother. We're 3 years or less away from complete theocratic fascism and foreign policy is already and has been for 70 years completely controlled by corporate interests. In regards to Russia, as far as I can tell military escalation is just as useful as military conflict.

  • toledosequel [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    This is suspicious but I don't get the people who deny that planes crashed into the towers altogether. How the fuck can you believe that?

    • Fartbutt420 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      It's always a strange place to draw the line. Like you're admitting that you think that the powers that be are evil enough to plot, plan, facilitate, and/or allow through inaction two skyscrapers coming down in the middle of the country's largest city for the sake of broader global agitation goals, but using real planes full of Real Americans to achieve this is a step too far and Too Evil for the Proud American Empire, so it must have been drones or CGI or a missile with wings.

    • happybadger [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I believe they were planes and that all of them did hit those buildings. I just refuse to believe an accident has to be a conspiracy.

    • DrumpfYouABusta [any]
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      2 years ago

      literally one of the most ignorant conspiracies up there with flat earth.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I think it's someone doing a bit honestly. I don't see intelligence goons having all that much interest in hexbear if I'm being honest. We're smol beans compared to reddit which 1,000% has intel fingerprints all over it.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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        2 years ago

        Yeah, it was likely a dumb bit. The whole thing was really over the top.

        I kinda wish we did get more ops though. All we get is Vaushites being fucking losers. I want some legit psyop action up in here!

        Edit: Read the whole rambling comment and it is 100% a BMF bit lmao. That ending with the overly long Snape quote about gnawing on bones and understanding the bible, I'm fucking reeling lmfao

          • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            well it's very easy to make an account named "kwestley" and simply copy paste the text from the video description, which to me points to it being a bit.

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              I think the hexbear poster was a phony but why does the original YT uploader's video description sound like a bit? That's the question.

              • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                i don't think the YT description is a bit, I think it's a lie. Obviously youtube wasn't around until 2005 so it couldn't have been "kept on private" like the guy said, but maybe that's just boomer brain of not knowing how the internet works. But all the military/airline connections in his career are very sus. I don't think the video is a deepfake, and I do think it's genuinely never-before-seen footage. I can't speculate what his motivations are for releasing it, but the 'i kept it private' excuse is definitely not true, at the very least. Maybe he feels guilty for something he was involved in and is leaving a trail of breadcrumbs for people to follow now that he's old.

                EDIT: If you mean the Harry Potter stuff, and him connecting it to a passage from Corinthians, make of that what you will. I don't think that part was a bit, I think the old man who posted the video genuinely found solace in a passage from a kid's book, as weird as it might seem to us.

                • MerryChristmas [any]
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                  2 years ago

                  Yeah the Harry Potter stuff had me cackling, but I am convinced that part was real.

        • DrumpfYouABusta [any]
          ·
          2 years ago

          So BMF has a 2006 youtube channel? that they posted kevin westley's retirement ceremony along with this new 9/11 vid and the exact text that was posted on hexbear including the weird harry potter shit is in the video description? kevin westley is a real person who did work on horned owl and worked as a chief engineer for boeing.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Or they're fucking with us as a test.

      • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Whose minds are they changing here? 9/11 was fake, but America deserved 9/11, and anybody who would post about it is a psy opping CIA agent (unless, of course, they're FBI). I am simply an automaton: I see something about 9/11, I seethe about America.

        edit: it's come to my attention it was a bit; don't care, still seething

        • DrumpfYouABusta [any]
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          2 years ago

          is it a bit? the text that was posted to heaxbear is a direct copy paste of the youtube video description which is kevin westley's 15 year old youtube channel. it has his retirement vid which is in reference to his work on horned owl as well as other personal videos.

  • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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    2 years ago

    :blob-no-thoughts: explain this to me as if i had no idea what this post is trying to tell me

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      A guy who

      "He literally worked on classified projects at the Air Force Flight Test Center, Las Vegas, Nevada (“Area 51”). This before he happened to perfectly capture 9/11 on video. After this he flew secret radar planes in Iraq (Operation Horned Owl). Then worked on retrofitting B61 nukes on the F-35. And guess which company got the contract for that job? Boeing of course. Where he works now. Then for some reason posts the 9/11 video on the day of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine — which quickly escalated into threats of nuclear war. I sound like an absolutely insane person just for writing this, but I’m just paraphrasing what’s available in his videos, on his LinkedIn and on Wikipedia. 🛸"

      Posted the clearest footage of world trade tower 2 getting struck ever on the day of the invasion of Ukraine. Guy claimed he uploaded the video in 2001, a good 4 years before youtube launched, but set it to private. The rest of his channel has very strange videos highlighting his service with the airforce.

      • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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        2 years ago

        Posted the clearest footage of world trade tower 2 getting struck ever

        this was unclear to me i saw that post and was like... so? lol.

        but to be clear there isn't a real thesis i'm missing, just a constellation of suspiciousness?

        • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          It's very suspect, especially if you've been following 9/11 conspiracy for a long time like I have, so I know what to pick up on in this info.

          • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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            2 years ago

            as a casual 9/11 fan i have to wait for a real die-hard to collate info and put a narrative together or i'm just :vivian-shrug:

            this is some juicy stuff for sure

            • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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              2 years ago

              Yeah someone else could format it better than I can. But this video that was posted to youtube is kind of a bombshell and there's a lot of spooky mysterious shit surrounding the uploader. Surprised it's not being talked about more but given the Ukraine situation I can understand why.

            • anadyr [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              as a casual 9/11 fan

              This got me good lmao :michael-laugh:

    • TankieTanuki [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I posted this video in 2001 but accidently left it private for 20 years.

      Whomst among us has not posted footage of the century and then not noticed for twenty years that it got zero views and engagement?

        • spectre [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I'm not trying to give the guy too much of a pass, but it's possible he left it private on another site. Youtube wasn't the first video streaming site, but it wasn't very big before that though, and idk if "private uploads" were a thing in 2001.

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I literally do not know what to believe in regards to 9/11. Part of me wants to believe that hijackers got lucky and that the US government really is that dumb. Another part of me wants to jump into a world of psyops, demolitions, remote controlled planes, gold stolen from Iraq, opium smuggled out afghanistan. I JUST DON'T KNOW. And to add fuel to the fire is the date it was uploaded, his comments about keeping it private in 2001, the other psyop shit on his channel.

        • TankieTanuki [he/him]
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          One of the most important facts that convinced me that JFK's assassination was an intelligence op is the alteration of his parade route to include Houston and Elm streets, because the shots from the office buildings in the area (and grassy knoll) would have been impossible without that change, and only the most senior national security officials would have the authority to alter the parade route.

          Similarly, one of the major facts that convinced me that Bush did 9/11 is the presence of the NORAD drills (documented by Michael C. Ruppert). The drills were about intercepting hijacked airplanes that were being piloted into skyscrapers, and they were moved to the date of 9/11 from their original schedule. The confusion created by the drills that morning made the attacks possible, and Osama bin Laden did not have the authority to schedule those drills.

              • TankieTanuki [he/him]
                hexagon
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                2 years ago

                Here's why I think that Osama bin Laden worked for the CIA and that 9/11 wasn't merely a "they let it happen" thing:

                • The government had been planning false flag operations using planes and bombs for decades (Operation Northwoods).

                • FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds reported that the FBI was in constant contact with bin Laden.

                • The US has a long history of working with Islamic terrorists, and the bin Laden family connections are well-known.

                • Israeli spies were probably meeting with Mohammad Atta in Florida.

                • Israeli spies likely occupied several floors of the WTC. Larry Silverstein rented them out at no cost, and they happened to be the floors that were hit.

                • Saudi, Israeli, American, and Pakistani intelligence networks have collaborated for decades (The Safari Club).

                And of course, the only way to do something right is to do it yourself. Waiting around for someone else to accidentally accomplish your greatest dreams for you seems like a bad bet. People don't have time for that shit; money was on the line.

                I believe that the "they let it happen" angle is popular because it's a way for the mind to reconcile the coincidences of the event while still keeping OBL as the bad guy. Realizing that OBL was one of "our guys" is emotionally difficult and requires a major shift in worldview, but is functionally no more implausible or evil than the government just letting it happen.

                  • Weedian [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    Also that sounds insanely more difficult than just hitting the building.

                    • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                      2 years ago

                      It's difficult for a human pilot to hit the building at all. That's probably why so many people believe the drone or CGI thing.

                  • TankieTanuki [he/him]
                    hexagon
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                    2 years ago

                    Could be because that's where they had rigged stuff like this. :shrug-outta-hecks:

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]
              hexagon
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              2 years ago

              drone planes and controlled demolitions?

              I personally do believe so, yes.

              The New Atheist deboonker person that I was fifteen years ago would be horrified to hear me say that, and I'm even afraid to admit to it here on hexbear because I know from experience that any mention of controlled demolition theory will bring the debate nerds out of the woodwork, and I don't feel like engaging in a discussion on it right now. I just wanted to give an honest and short answer to your direct question, which takes a pinch of courage because it's a third rail topic.

              P.S. There is no need to share the WTYP episode on the WTC with me, comrades, I've already watched it three times, and I plan on eventually organizing my thoughts on it into a long-form blog response. I'll have the energy to discuss it once I've posted that.

                • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  Yeah that's what gets me too, what happened to the now deceased passengers? If they were crisis actors, boy that's a lifetime gig of hiding from the public. But on the other hand, it wouldn't be too hard to just disappear to another country and be set up for life. idk

                  • StalinistApologist [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    The 265 fatalities aboard the four planes included:

                    • 87 civilians (including 11 crew members) and the five hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 11
                    • 60 civilians (including 9 crew members) and the five hijackers aboard United Airlines Flight 175
                    • 59 civilians (including 6 crew members) and the five hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 77
                    • 39 civilians (including 7 crew members), a United States Fish and Wildlife Service Office of Law Enforcement officer, and the four hijackers aboard United Airlines Flight 93.

                    that's a lot of people to set up for life

                    • TheGhostOfTomJoad [he/him,they/them]
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                      2 years ago

                      Or, thats a lot of people to trust to stay quiet. Thats the biggest flaw of any conspiracy theory, people talk. No matter how much you pay them. It was way easier to just look the other way when intelligence reports said an attack was imminent.

                      • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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                        2 years ago

                        Or, thats a lot of people to trust to stay quiet

                        new theory: all of them were in on it but they ran them into the towers to keep em quiet :think-about-it:

                        • TheGhostOfTomJoad [he/him,they/them]
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                          2 years ago

                          lmao, well, I stand by the principal of K.I.S.S.(keep it simple, stupid). They knew something would happen, looked the other way, let it happen, and used it as an excuse to enact the Plan for A New American Century. Its just way easier and involves so few people to pull it off, many of which don't even have to know that they're part of something bigger. :shrug-outta-hecks:

                          • Spike [none/use name]
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                            2 years ago

                            Also it is very plausible that people hate the US enough to try blowing up something there

                          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                            2 years ago

                            Its just way easier and involves so few people to pull it off,

                            How does it involve fewer people? It's the same number of plotters, you just change who a few of them are working for.

                            many of which don’t even have to know that they’re part of something bigger.

                            That's how intelligence ops are done, on a strictly need-to-know basis.

                        • TheGhostOfTomJoad [he/him,they/them]
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                          2 years ago

                          I'm not engaging until you answer the question from the mega. Did you really follow me over there to spam me with ppb because I lean towards the "let it happen" theory?

                        • TheGhostOfTomJoad [he/him,they/them]
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                          2 years ago

                          Ok, so my biggest problem with the "kill the passengers" idea is that, as uniquely evil as america is, you have to seriously dehumanize a group of people before you can get your own to murder them. I find it hard to believe that americas got people that ready to kill citizens all willy nilly. Not to mention, now you have to keep them quiet. Or kill them and then you have to keep that person quiet. Idk, to me its way easier to know something is gonna happen, and only a tiny tiny group of people in on it can influence others to move a few pieces around to ensure it happens. Its really hard to keep people quiet without killing them. Its easier if they don't know they're involved in a conspiracy. Like the Colonel ordering all the spices from different companies so nobody knew what they were.

                          That being said, I lean towards "let it happen" but I wouldn't be surprised either way. But america bungles everything lately, it does seem like a stretch that they'd be able to pull that off to me. That's probably why I lean "let it happen".

                          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                            2 years ago

                            I've actually thought about this exact point very hard for a long time.

                            There is only one thing known for certain: a group of human beings murdered thousands of Americans in cold blood that day. Either it was 19+ Muslim hijackers, or US deep state agents, or some combination thereof.

                            Like you I also once considered it difficult to imagine Americans murdering their own people like that. I presumed that out of a reasonably sized group of conspirators that at least one of them would grow a guilty conscience and foil the plot. So I asked myself: why couldn't a Muslim plotter grow a guilty conscience in a similar way? Why was I so much more willing to believe that Muslims were the cold-blooded murderers? And I couldn't give myself an answer that didn't sound at least a little bit racist. I realized that part of my mental barrier was constructed from the decades of propaganda dehumanizing Muslims that all Westerners like myself are subject to.

                            I found an even more complete answer in the form of the shattered assumptions theory. It's a psychological model that says that one of our basic assumptions is that the world is benevolent, and that experiences which shatter that assumption are the root cause of trauma.

                            Once one has experienced such trauma, it is necessary for them to create new assumptions or modify their old ones to recover from the traumatic experience. Therefore, the negative effects of the trauma are simply related to our worldviews, and if we repair these views, we will recover from the trauma.

                            9/11 was a deeply traumatic event which shattered our worldviews. Before 9/11, most Americans would have had a hard time believing that any person---even Muslim people---could be capable of such evil, but we were forced to collectively accept that fact by the horror we witnessed with our own eyes. In that crucible of collective shock and grief, we forged a new worldview that included a terrifying new threat to our lives: radical Islamic terrorism. Accepting this fact repaired our views and allowed us to recover from the trauma. However, once trauma has been repaired in this way, any differing explanation threatens to shatter that worldview all over again and re-traumatize the individual.

                            In other words, fundamentally altering your understanding of a traumatic event creates cognitive dissonance. That is why I believe it is easier to accept the "they let it happen" explanation, because it leaves the initial threat model intact rather than replacing it. It's also more disturbing to accept that your own government hurt you, just like people are reluctant to accept that their parents were bad. It's worse when it comes from inside the house.


                            to me its way easier to know something is gonna happen, and only a tiny tiny group of people in on it can influence others to move a few pieces around to ensure it happens. Its really hard to keep people quiet without killing them. Its easier if they don’t know they’re involved in a conspiracy

                            Intelligence operations are run in such a way that mission critical details are kept to the smallest group of individuals possible. People are only told what they need to do, not why.


                            america bungles everything lately

                            Does it bungle shoveling money to the 1%? America has always been good at what it really cares about, i.e. enriching capitalists and sabotaging socialism. Remember how fast that Trump tax bill passed?


                            I find it hard to believe that americas got people that ready to kill citizens all willy nilly.

                            The psychopaths who work at the CIA really believe they're doing all of it for the greater good.

                            • TheGhostOfTomJoad [he/him,they/them]
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                              2 years ago

                              So, what do you think happened to Honjour and Attta? They were clearly real people and they haven't turned up in their home countries claiming their identities were stolen like a few of the others accused of doing it.

                              I ended up watching a few of Dan Hanlans videos last night about the uninterruptible autopilot system. The most plausible theory by far though he refuses to actually make any claims, just that: it exists, we know it works, and it could have been installed on planes at the time and it explains the flight profile of the pentagon plane. Kevin Westley's resume and being there is now the strangest part of all this--evidence that they could have been remote piloted with at least some foreknowledge of the events. I'll admit, it's super strange. Even though I maintain that keeping people quiet it next to impossible to guarantee without killing them. It's why I've said, the fewer that know the better, so why is he out there still, now working in the public sector, free to share this video. Its weird. Even people who fully believe in what they're doing, talk about what they're doing. Hell, maybe this is him trying to talk about it? Idk.

                              If some of these hijackers existed, like Honjour and Atta, and were working for the cia\fbi with or without knowing it, couldn't they have been given the tools to hack the UAP system themselves? Is it not possible that the planes were real, whomever took "control" used the UAP to accomplish it? Could that not help explain why 93 crashed? They failed to hack the UAP and they didn't actually know how to fly? 93 has always been the harder one to explain if the Northwoods theory is correct. No black boxes were found anywhere else but at 93s crash site iirc. That part of the plan appears to have failed.

                              The "let it happen" works even with the prohibited airspace above DC. They "let" the plane circle and descend, no matter how it was controlled.

                              I'm not trying to be a debater, I hate that shit lol. It's just been awhile since I thought about this stuff because, whether they did it or let it happen (with varying amounts of "help") essentially amounts to the same thing--they killed americans to enact their plans(specifically PNAC). My idea has always been, no matter how it happened, it was to justify the PNAC.

                              • TankieTanuki [he/him]
                                hexagon
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                                2 years ago

                                I don't have all the answers, sorry. But you're asking the right questions, comrade.

                          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                            2 years ago

                            Not to mention, now you have to keep them quiet. Or kill them and then you have to keep that person quiet.

                            One time a CIA asset named Jack Ruby murdered another asset named Lee Oswald to keep him quiet about a murder. And then the CIA murdered Jack Ruby to keep him quiet...

                    • TheGhostOfTomJoad [he/him,they/them]
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                      2 years ago

                      Not to mention that there were people who didn't get on the planes cause they missed their flight, like Seth MacFarlane. How can you buy a ticket on a non existent flight?

                • TankieTanuki [he/him]
                  hexagon
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                  2 years ago

                  I think they really are deceased. Or never existed. Here's a video that speculates on the topic.

                  Is there no footage of these flights at their airports?

                  I don't believe so. There isn't even footage of the highjackers boarding except for maybe Atta IIRC.

                  • WIIHAPPYFEW [he/him, they/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    I doubt that people were taking the time to film random planes taking off in the camcorder era before video sites with large enough niche audiences for that content existed

                    • TheGhostOfTomJoad [he/him,they/them]
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                      2 years ago

                      Ditto. People growing up now can't imagine a world where we don't all have a camera in our pockets. Camcorders were big and bulky back then. People didn't just carry them around with them all the time in the hopes of catching something extraordinary.

                    • TankieTanuki [he/him]
                      hexagon
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                      2 years ago

                      Yeah I don't believe that flights are regularly recorded taking off, so that's not really weird. There should be security footage of the passengers boarding though.

              • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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                2 years ago

                Well I appreciate your honesty. I just don't know what to believe, I can so see it being either or at this point. I'll say this much, if it did turn out to be an inside job, I would not be surprised in the least.

        • TankieTanuki [he/him]
          hexagon
          ·
          2 years ago

          to add fuel to the fire

          You mean to add jet fuel to the steel beams? :quokka-smile: :isaac-pog:

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Kaleb Thinking Out Loud

        1 hour ago

        1:37 checks his watch 33 seconds before the second plane then turns in the direction to see where the place comes from, is not surprised at all like the rest of the crowd

        COZMO TRIPP

        COZMO TRIPP

        1 hour ago

        Something about this is off... the reactions... the voices... idk man

        Don't you make me go down this rabbit hole :scared:

        He literally worked on classified projects at the Air Force Flight Test Center, Las Vegas, Nevada ("Area 51"). This before he happened to perfectly capture 9/11 on video. After this he flew secret radar planes in Iraq (Operation Horned Owl). Then worked on retrofitting B61 nukes on the F-35. And guess which company got the contract for that job? Boeing of course. Where he works now. Then for some reason posts the 9/11 video on the day of Russia's invasion of Ukraine — which quickly escalated into threats of nuclear war. I sound like an absolutely insane person just for writing this, but I'm just paraphrasing what's available in his videos, on his LinkedIn and on Wikipedia. 🛸

        Oh nooooo

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      CGI or the fake holographic airplane are the weakest and most unhinged of the 9/11 conspiracies I've read. So it figures weirdo youtube commenters who are unhinged to begin with would be down with it.

      • TankieTanuki [he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        At least CGI is a real technology. Projected holograms are pure science fiction.

    • TankieTanuki [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      No. It was first on YouTube, and then days later the uploader or someone impersonating him posted it here.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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        2 years ago

        I'm at like 95% on it being a bit, with the 5% reserved for the quantum effects present during empire collapse.

      • farter [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I saw it on /r/trueanon and I think I was the second poster of three or four times it was shared here, then the kwestley user showed up and it got weird

  • Owl [he/him]M
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    2 years ago

    I have no idea what this video is trying to communicate.

    • DrumpfYouABusta [any]
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      2 years ago

      kevin westley said that he posted the video in 2001 and accidentally left it private for 20 years. when people grew suspicious and pointed out that youtube didn't exist when he originally said he posted the video he changed it to the 2000s. the vid was actually posted in 2017. he also worked for Boeing as a chief engineer and worked on project horned owl in nevada for the air force which had to do with remote flight tech. it is roughly edited and if you aren't already brain broken by 9/11 it probably seems pretty confusing.

      • Owl [he/him]M
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        2 years ago

        Okay... but how does any of that matter in any way?

        • DrumpfYouABusta [any]
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          2 years ago

          It's just suspicious man. The guy lies about when he posted the video where he checks his watch and then searches the opposites skyline as if he knows something is on its way. He also happened to work for the airforce creating remote drone tech. He just so happened to have a perfect view of the second tower getting hit that he "accidentally" hid for 20 years. This could all be coincidence. I don't know exactly what went down on 9/11 and its likely many of us will never know. There are a lot of ridiculous conspiracies but the circumstances surrounding 9/11 are very suspicious and this I just another one of those circumstances.

          • Owl [he/him]M
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            2 years ago

            If you go digging for coincidences, you'll find them no matter where you look, proportionate to however much effort you spend searching. It doesn't mean anything unless you have a specific hypothesis that could be backed up by some coincidences and refuted by others.

            Here, go read Unsong. You'll have a good time, and maybe it'll help get my point across.

            • DrumpfYouABusta [any]
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              2 years ago

              My friend you asked what this video was trying to get across and I am trying to explain that to you. It's not incredibly coherent. I do not believe that this man is the mastermind behind 9/11. I also don't belive the official story given to us. My point in this thread is Kevin is a real person and the circumstances surrounding his video coupled with his previous work history are strange to say the least. Its fun to poke around at but nothing can be taken from it as fact. Its just wierd.

              • MerryChristmas [any]
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                2 years ago

                Are there actual people proposing that Kevin masterminded 9/11? I'd be very much interested in hearing this theory from them.

                • DrumpfYouABusta [any]
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                  2 years ago

                  My guess from this video is that some people believe that kevin was watching his work in action on remote flight tech being used. He does sound almost excited when he says oh my lord but that's not a justification for believing the dude helped in 9/11. And like I said I'm just guessing at this based off of the video. It is very strange and conspiracy is fun.

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              If you go digging for coincidences, you’ll find them no matter where you look, proportionate to however much effort you spend searching.

              Mostly true but in my experience some events have more coincidences than others, even when controlling for effort and time searching. There are more coincidences surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's prison suicide than there are most prisoner suicides, for example.

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]
              hexagon
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              2 years ago

              Is Unsong a science fiction novel about conspiracy theories or something?

              • Owl [he/him]M
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                2 years ago

                It's a fantasy novel about kabbalah.

                  • Owl [he/him]M
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                    2 years ago

                    It's basically about spitballing reasoning out of coincidences.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            2 years ago

            It’s just suspicious man.

            I mean, its layers of suspicious staked deep. Like, how do I make any kind of evaluation wrt a video posted on YouTube by an account attached to some data I can't determine the veracity of from tip to tail? The fact that the narrative is clumsy and fake-sounding out the gate only makes it easier to dismiss the whole body of information as bullshit.

            I don’t know exactly what went down on 9/11 and its likely many of us will never know.

            I mean, we know four passenger airliners were hijacked and used as suicide missiles. We know the two largest buildings in NYC were leveled. We know the hijackers were primarily from Saudi Arabia. And we know the political aftermath of the event was used to pursue enemies of the US State (who were, coincidentally, not from Saudi Arabia).

            But, like, if George Bush Jr and Dick Cheney wanted to trick people into invading Iraq with a false flag attack, there are a whole lot of ways they could have done it better.

              • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                2 years ago

                Just for starters, the hijackers could have been from Iraq. Or trained in Iraq. Or had any actual relationship to Iraq prior to the admin realizing they needed to fabricate something after the fact.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        That only works in this case because 9/11 was fucking ages ago. Expectations now are HD footage even a cheap phone has an alright camera on it.

        • MerryChristmas [any]
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          2 years ago

          Being able to edit the popular perception of history isn't any less scary, IMO.

        • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          That's not really true, liberals accepted that China had actual Uyghur death camps and the only physical evidence they had was blurry satellite pictures of rooftops.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            Sure but that's because they expect satellite pictures to be blurry pictures of rooftops.

            Expectations for video content shot by civilians are now very high. Security cameras you can still get away with low quality though.

        • fuckiforgotmypasswor [comrade/them,any]
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          2 years ago

          yeah... gonna be hard to unsee that.

          edit: the NSFW shot is Abu Ghraib. the image depicted in OP video is the body of Manadel al-Jamadi, the only death that the US officially rules a "homicide" at Abu Ghraib.

          a fellow Abu Ghraib prisoner described hearing his torture in this documentary, Ghosts of Abu Ghraib : "...they began torturing [him] and we could hear what was happening. we listened as his soul cracked. the sound of his voice twisted our minds and made our hearts stop." a US army solider who was stationed in the prison confirms in the documentary that CIA attempted to alter and get rid of the body and make it look like he had a heart attack. no one was officially charged for the homicide, but the officer/NCO responsible for taking the photo were charged for exposing the image.

  • goodbyeworld [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Never thought I'd see The Bull on Hexbear. What a time to be alive.