I saw some people in the Ukraine megathread advocating for Russia to not launch the nukes in return if America were to nuke them, and it's scaring me the fuck out rn.
If whole premise of MAD is that a nuclear first strike, while killing your enemies, would be suicide. The whole premise is that of a Mexican standoff where if one party shoots, the other shoots also.
The suicidal nature of a nuclear first strike is the only thing keeping the world from nuclear devastation rn.
Please don't fucking advocate for victims of an American nuclear first strike to not retaliate.
(BTW, America is the only power who hasn't relinquished their right to a first strike anyways)
we don't have any control over this, lol. but its nice to hope that the underlings of the suicidal bourgeoisie have the ability and could just say no to launching bombs (first or in retaliation)
There’s so many stories about soldiers who refused orders to fire nukes after a false alarm and saved the world. There are no such stories where that alarm was legitimate because the only nuclear weapons ever used in armed conflict were used against a nation without second strike capability.
International relations are about power, not morality. To acknowledge that nuclear war is the worst case scenario for everyone involved would involve taking the option off the table and removing the deterrent. So everyone has to act like they’re ready to do a second strike.
Russians have hypersonic misslies if anyone's packing duds it's America
There is a nonzero chance most of our nukes were built by the Elon Musks of the 60's.
That and as of a few years ago, there was apparently a big training/morale issue with the nuclear arsenal branch of the Air Force. The staff of the nuclear facilities had really low morale and were apparently smoking pot and doing LSD lol.
The only way the concept of a "red line" works is if you actually do pull the trigger when it is crossed
If you don't, your opponent now knows you were always bluffing. The equation actually becomes much much less stable because it's now completely unpredictable what actions would provoke a decisive response.
This is why my personal nightmare scenario for this war is if Russia utilizes a tactical nuclear weapon against an exclusively military target in Ukraine. Such an action would beg a response by the West in some way, but since the use of such a weapon wouldn't be targeted against NATO forces, it's completely unpredictable how the West would actually respond. But if it doesn't respond, it gives Russia a free hand to use more tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, and even worse would open Pandora's Box regarding the use of tactical nuclear weapons by any nation.
Hmm. It sounds like one solution to this scenario would be for Ukraine and any other state fearful of such a tactical strike to form some sort of defensive alliance. Of particular value would be one which includes powers capable of delivering a commensurate retaliatory strike. If only such a treaty organization were already present in the region 😟
I'm advocating for the rest of the world nuking th e the united states
mad seems stupid to me, in that sociopaths basically value themselves above all others. most people who get to the position of power are narcissistic sociopaths that have no problem watching people starve to death, and above all else, narcissists hate themselves and are prone to suicide.
so all it would take is one of them to have a bad fucking day.
also MAD literally led to ww1. Which speaking of it's a bad idea to get into wars between empires over protection treaties
Russia's policy is close in so much as that it allows use ONLY in the event of aggressive conventional weapon usage that poses an existential threat to the state, which is essentially a territorial invasion with the intention of takeover or regime change.
This is fairly close to a no-first-use policy in my opinion. It's essentially a defensive-use-only policy.
The whole premise is that of a Mexican standoff where if one party shoots, the other shoots also.
All I hear is that I can get all of the treasure if I'm the fastest nuke-slinger in the west. I'll have an awesome soundtrack moment and ride off into the artificial sunset on a horse laden with confederate gold.
yeah but China's and Russia have got the quickest draw not america as they have hypersonic missiles.
we aint cut out to be no Jesse James
If the Nukes just start falling in all the parts of the world everyone dies. Asking for any country to make sure that doesn’t happen really isn’t that controversial.
ah fuck sorry I didn't think about that, good point. I'll get the boys to turn the nukes back on -Vladimir Putin
If America does decide to nuke Russia, I hope Russia and every other nuclear armed country obliterates America off the face of the earth. Not even joking.
What the fuck does r-slurred mean? Is it technical jargon or something?
