it's fash and saying it is fash adjacent if not fash. ukrainian nazi numero uno came up with that one.
Problem is Wikipedia so whenever you bring this up to libs they're like "ACHTUALLYLYYLYYY IT PREDATES THE NAZISSSS" with absolutely no sense of irony about the swastika also predating the nazis.
Also, the sources for that on Wikipedia are the Atlantic Council and Radio Free Europe lmao
Slava Ukraini is fash adjacent/cryptofash, in that there is some degree of deniability if you absolutely feel the need to be charitable about it.
Slava Ukraini, Heroiam Slava is 100% fascist, absolutely no fucking question about it, fuck anyone who tries to argue about it they are a fucking nazi.
I mean it has a fascist origin, but chances are most people saying it are doing so because they see the news and nothing about history. A quick google search will tell you the origins of the phrase. But still. Imagine if everyone just started saying “Heil Biden” and got mad at you because you pointed out that the phrase was created by Nazis
Imagine if everyone just started saying “Heil Biden” and got mad at you because you pointed out that the phrase was created by Nazis
that's actually how i'm feeling rn, that i'm being drowned in a wave of nazi propaganda and run the risk of getting called a putler-stanning nazi when i call out how openly fascist everything's becoming.
It's the same as insisting that what you're actually doing is a "Roman Salute"
Fuck my lib coworkers and boss have all been saying this. I thought it was a general lib support catchphrase even though it sounds sketch.
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Have been not saying anything and making noncommital active listening noises when my boss states it.
They are just dumb libs. Unless they are Ukrainians, then 🤔
Not "a bit sus", it's extremely sus. Russia is not in any way an ally to the communist project, and there is no "slava" to be had in any of this shit
Slava Ukraini/Slava Rossii :geordi-no:
Slava Sovetsky Soyuz :geordi-yes:
It would probably be something more like Da Zdravstvuyet Sovyetsky Soyuz, tbh.
even if it weren't fash, nationalism in any capacity is still bad
the USSR was an internationalist project, a group of several nations, and specifically Lenin carried out the October revolution on the (unfortunately mistaken) idea that the other European nations would soon fall to similar revolutions. Communism is an internationalist ideology, not a nationalist ideology. "Communism in one country" was a result of specific conditions imposed from the outside by capitalist imperialism, not the end goal.
Probably more to do with the fact that Lenin defended the right to nationalism and wrote extensively against people who thought that nationalism was bad in any capacity.
liberatory natioanlism as opposed to chauvinist nationalism. yes.
From the 1930s it was used by different Ukrainian nationalist groups, most notably Stepan Bandera's Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army, and it was later also used by Ukrainian diaspora groups and refugee communities in The West during the Cold War. In the Soviet Union the phrase was forbidden.
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