Oh shit they've got him.
Surely it's a rule that you shouldn't return to the country you think tried to poison you
Feels like this is the only lesson from this.
The motherfucker was a real believer in... whatever variation of a liberal-fash ego trip he made up for himself. The russian state and judicial system fucked with him at every point of his attempt to stir the public or participate in politics and for some fucking reason he kept pushing his luck.
Then they poisoned him with chemical weapon grade poison and almost killed him, then he got offered one last possible exit from ANGELA MERKEL herself. And he just went back. Commited to the bit till the end.
Absolutely epic, this has convinced me to abandon Communism
Googling that just brought up weird ass crank pages. Not that gang, sorry.
Not that I don't enjoy a good intelligence conspiracy, but I'll go with Occam's razor here. Russians poisoning a rowdy russian political activist with good old russian warcrime chemicals is as good as any explanation.
I am totally convinced that Britain has the chemicals (the US too) for cases like this, though Navalny was almost surely a true Russian attempt
If Nalvany was poisoned this time it was almost certainly Russia, but I could also just see him dying. He'd already been poisoned, had complained about being denied outside food (and possibly wasn't eating a lot of what they gave him for fear of being poisoned), had complained about the conditions etc. Not a combination that's very conducive to good health.
As for whether MI6 or someone else could have done this sort of thing in the past and had the capability... also almost certainly.
I remembered this Channel 4 News fact check from after the Skripal poisonings here. The whole thing is an interesting read but main relevant points in broad terms are:
- Basically any country with a chemical weapons program (including 'defensive' like everyone claims - in reality there is no difference) could make Novichok and similar agents usually linked to Russia. All it takes is time, effort, and the right lab. In fact, any country would want to do so at the very least to classify it, add it to a database, and work on potential protections.
- One of its original chemists released information on its compound and processes publicly in the 90s. Russia eventually jailed him, but there's no way foreign intelligence didn't already have more than he published.
- In the mid-90s the US involved itself in a 'clean up' operation at a site in Uzbekistan where various strains of Novichok were allegedly made, so probably had direct access to the work.
That being said, I think the Salisbury poisonings were probably Russia too given the evidence that came out over time. Not that another explanation is impossible.
Also, the history of Porton Down and the UK's involvement in various off-book chemical weapon related stuff is long and extremely dark and shady - from Anthrax attacks, to the black market, to our probable involvement in the Apartheid regime's genocidal chemical warfare programme Project Coast.
i don’t buy it either even though i’m still on the “prigozhin was a psyop” train
Libs will be more worked up about this than the continuing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza plus the injuries, suffering, and death in the West Bank.
Navalny was the whitest of Russians though, in all possible meanings of the word.
Well of course. They tend to be driven by the suffering of dogs than people.
Libs were always weird about this guy and sincerely believed he was a bigger deal than he was. Polls showed him trailing behind the Communist Party candidate and the financial minister
West in the true spirit of NATO as usual going for open fascists and racist to promote.
lib laymen just repeat the propaganda, lib officials know they're lying (actually it's hard to even tell anymore)
Yeltsin has been deposed for makin it clap on instagram
I'm curious why anyone really gives a shit about this, the likelihood this guy was ever gonna me a challenger to Putin at this point is, what? .000000000001%, if that. Surprised I'm seeing as many posts about this as I am.
Yeah but I haven't heard Libs talk about him in YEARS. He's less relevant that
10% of Americans knowing who Navalny is is a craaaaaaaaaaaaazy overestimation lol.
Yup 1% for Devalney and .1% for gaido is more realistic.
Unless you have actively followed south American politics for a long time you aren't going to remeber the minor b plot character that was supposed to be implanted through a half hearted coup.
He was relevant for like 2 weeks.
Ehh, probably <1% of Americans could tell you who Juan Guaido is, but 10% could tell you that Navalny was a political opponent to Putin
My experience has been almost the exact inverse, save it's more like .1% vs .001%.
I suspect half the Libs I hear talking about him now have literally just heard about him the first time.
It's because the florida numbers are Guaido googling himself so much
Western liberals believed that Navalny was the opposition leader to Putin. He was always talked about in media as "the opposition leader". Not "a opposition leader" but specifically "the".
This is important because it frames in people's minds that he was the main opposition. It makes people think of it in a Republican vs Dems way.
This framing is helped by the fact that the communist party is literally NEVER talked about in western media. They don't exist as far as liberals know.
We have to hear about this guy solely because the US State Dept wanted him to be the
of Russia. Well, I guess he was, in that he failed utterly.
imagine this being your life: sitting in prisons waiting for the CIA to help install you as the president. then you just die. lmao couldn't be me. what a dumbass.
Pretty sure Guiado will be the next president of Ukraine when zelenski steps down. Or maybe shoot for the stars why not replace Biden
By ignoring the times he called muslims cockroaches and called for immigrants to be shot even harder
I mean, with a bit of media training and a land acknowledgement that's basically just the mainstream Dem position.
racism aside… are liberals seriously approving the idea that the people were "free" under the absolute monarchy of the tsars? literally what is the point of liberalism in that case? they should be proud of the French Revolution and anti-monarchism
Holy. It's gone from mild thinly veiled liberal level racism to strait up fascist "scientific" racism real fast.
They defederated and instantly went straight to the calipers, incredible.
Because as we all know, people in prisons can't die, they just live forever unless evil Putin gets them. Why else would we call it a life sentence?
Putin isn't just week: he's day, hour even. His time is up!
I'm a Russian lib
Hmm
I'm a... lib
notion that he's a nazi is a Baptists and bootleggers collaboration between both western and Russian pro-war forces.
Okay so I've seen the cockroach video. Can you explain why I shouldn't believe he means what he said in that video?
You could compare it to how Ukrainian libs allied with Ukrainian nationalists during the maidan.
Well if I do that I just have to
at this news. Allying yourself politically to fascists makes you a fascist.
well Russian politics sucks what can I say. In the late oughts to early teens I think he really had a chance to ~do the funny~ but kinda chickened out. After 2011 he toned the nationalist rhetoric way down, tried to run for local office, failed miserably and the rest is history.
Regardless he was still the most prominent/broadly unifying figure for anti Putin opposition of all stripes. Idk anyone who is more recognizable, maybe nemtsov but he was shot in 2014.
and yeah I'm a mostly former lib, but as I mentioned in another comment, Communism has a really bad reputation inside Russia due to ongoing propaganda efforts from the government (who love blaming every possible internal problem on the Soviet legacy) and the ongoing ineffectiveness and hypocrisy of the CPRF.
I don't know what to say other than ethnonationalists who call minorities cockroaches belong in the ground and that there is basically no good reason to support them or grieve their deaths.
What was Navalny’s platform for domestic economic development, apart from fighting right-wing corruption which is the standard line for almost every neoliberal party in the Global South?
Mass privatization and "improving conditions for foreign investors" by dismantling labor laws and ecological regulations.
That too is standard line for almost every neoliberal party in the Global South
he didn't have one, that's one of the reasons he ultimately ate shit even in local elections
You could compare it to the CPUSA back in America in how it harms more than it helps.
The CPUSA does not harm more than it helps
You could compare it to the CPUSA back in America in how it harms more than it helps.
With the exception that the CPRF has a glorious past and has actually done stuff, unlike CPUSA. I think they haven’t done anything interesting since the 1930s.
The fuck have zyuganov and his ilk ever done except run interference for the government for all the Soviet-nostalgic boomers and help suppress any independent leftist organzing? It is no coincidence they were the only ones allowed to participate in elections after the 1993 coup.
Libs gave an Oscar to a movie about a guy who said he’d have no problem working with fascists if it made sure his goals are met. Good riddance.
