Something I see super regularly, and find really disturbing, is how a young person 25-35 will post something, or even say it in person, like "I really want to have kids with my partner and start a family, but I just can't feel safe doing that with how unstable the world it," and proceed to list all their super realistic concerns and fears. And immediately someone will chirp up with some variation of "no one promised you stability or safety! You need to make it on your own! Everyone finds a way to have kids." Like these people do realize this isn't like a one off phenomenon, like household formation and having children are at world historic and systemic lows. Do these people want society to stop? Like people wanting to have children is like the most normal thing in the world, and wanting some small measure of stability and safety seems the least anyone is entitled to.
It's just so ducking weird to see, cus so often these are the same people freaking out cus there aren't enough kids. I just don't fucking understand people. I dunno what I am asking I just need to vent because people fucking confuse me.
no one promised you stability or safety! You need to make it on your own! Everyone finds a way to have kids
I'm guessing these are the same people who are "pro-life" up until the kids born, and then "you're on your own kid, lifes tough, buck up."
do you know how cool but also cursed it would be if prolifers were all dedicated socialists. i long for that world.
The only people I will really accept as pro-lifers are ardent communists. If someone believes that abortion is murder but that starving children in a world full of food isn't murder then idk what to tell them. Until anti-abortion people support free food, housing, education, and all of the things necessary to live they aren't pro-life yet.
Pro-life was really a coup in terms of marketing slogans. "Let's rebrand the slavery and subjugation movement to something positive and catchy! How about "Pro Life"!:
no one promised you stability or safety!
And nobody promised them more bodies to expend.
No, I think a lot of people don't think in terms of materialism at all (like in objective terms by observing the world as it actually is and not as we may or may not wish it to be). So if you're well-off and lived in a society that supported you and you don't think of things materially, then you get these boomer style airheads that tell you stuff like "just go in and shake the managers hand and you'll get a job" or "just have kids it'll all work out, all they really need is love." They don't look at stats, they don't look beyond their social group, they just don't get it at all and often refuse to learn or change until it starts to hurt them (for example, vaxx refusers are in this same group of complete idealists). The very same group in the same breath complain about white replacement by brown people but also refuse to do any social welfare to make having kids a more rational choice, they aren't encountering the world in material terms but want to push what observations they make into their own preconceived notions.
refuse to do any social welfare to make having kids a more rational choice
This is pure fascist "lebensborn" territory. Hungary is doing this, did you know?
If fascism was a thing that made my life better and the life of families better it would be a good thing. That isn't what fascism is and you only think this because you spend too much time on twitter and reddit
Oh, you weren't born into a family of wealth and privilege? Sucks to be you, off into the meat grinder you go! It's good old eugenics without the bad optics.
One of the things that doesn’t get discussed enough is stability of place. You can win the capitalism lottery, get a good job, buy a house, but then your office gets closed and you get uprooted all over again. So even if you’re “stable,” you’re not, really. I wonder if other less demonic countries have laws against relocation of employees.
I'm just tryin' to find ppl who want me, but I don't think that's possible no more. <.<
Well to be fair most of human history wasnt exactly a great time 2 have kids. I understand why you would want to be financially stable though.
Yeah but most of human history wasn't facing a scientifically provable and proven end of the world scenario within their life time. Maybe the end of their individual world, but not global collapse of civilization that is observable at the microlevel every day.
Plus there was no reliable contraception back then and people do like to fuck.
most of human history wasn’t facing a scientifically provable and proven end of the world scenario within their life time
Lmfao. Your parents thought they would die in a nuclear hellscape.
No they often were but there were also systems and scientific progress in place to get humanity out of every pickle they've been in. It's one of the more frustrating arguments to have is with die hard neoliberal Steven Pinker/David Deutsch stans that just claim that since we've gotten out of everything else in history so far then surely well make it out of every issue presently threatening is without an examination of how some efforts of the past did affect how life was lived and maybe certain threats aren't just going to be "oh some guy will take care of it while I continue living my life of luxury"
Do these people want society to stop?
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I think about this a lot. Maybe because I'm approaching middle age.
Single, childless, etc.
I don't get it. Who from our generation in their right mind would want kids or a family? Life is so short and our existence is so precocious. You are forced to spend 40 hours a week (MINIMUM) working for someone else doing things you probably don't like to survive, and then you get home and have to do your own things to survive, and you can't afford a family or a decent home in a decent neighborhood. Why are we even trying?
So many SMART young people have figured it out, societal drop-outs are at all time highs, living at home with parents is at all time highs.
Life was never meant to be this way, people just respond the best they can to a shitty situation they had no place in making. Everyone wants something different. Everyone, whether right or left, seems to have society and even the smallest match will light the fire. The 2020/21 protests are just a series of protests, these protests will keep growing.
Thanks for posting this. I would have thought I’d have 1-2 kids by now but we just aren’t financially where we need to be. It’s sad because the stigma is that if you don’t have kids you’re lazy or not responsible but it’s not something to take lightly and our very thought and planned out consensus is that having a kid right now just wouldn’t be a responsible thing to do.
People don't know if they'll still be employed or have housing 9 months in the future. And then we have the pandemic not only being a thing forever, it's also showing us how horribly we'll handle the climate crisis.
the answer for people on r/antinatalism is literally yes lmao which like asides from the social grievances they have most of them are just misanthropes who pretend to not be eugencist but seem to really hate poor people having kids.
human society and culture is generally a thing i'd like to see continue and be preserved and as a result i'd prefer to have a society to raise kids and at least hope it'd achieve enough of a birthrate to have younger generations take care of retirees (which r/antinatlism literally thinks is a form of entitlement when its just a basic social right to be able to not have to work at some point in your life) while ideally keeping the population stagnant or declining.
You know, something that'd probably happen on its own in modernity given trends towards 1-2 child households and increasing productivity but that isn't happening because capitalism is fucking it all up
