What the fuck does this shit have to do with subverting the message of stonetoss comics in a way that would be counter to his narratives? Isn’t that the fucking point of the sub?

That’s literally the only justification for using fascist imagery: directly using it to intimidate or parody fash (i.e. burning of the swastika, putting Nazi patches on enemies or cowards in depictions).

What are you even saying here that requires the parody of a fascist webcomic to say? Because, honestly? This is something that stonetoss would probably fucking post in a different context. The right-wing Putin simping probably being the only fucking barrier between this comic’s message being used in an actual fucking stonetoss comic.

You know, when you use fascist symbolism to post anticommunist messages, it’s no longer parody: it’s just fascist agitprop. You’re doing the work for them.

Shit’s bleak :pain: we’ve got the same motherfuckers who killed Rosa co-opting the label of the KPD resistance to the Nazis. No language is safe from co-opting, those who would be fascist collaborators hiding under the label of antifascism. Words no longer have meaning, we live in a post-definition era. All that matters is subtext and action.

Marg bar :reddit-logo:

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Right after I finish spraypainting "no war but the class war" on the side of a building I go on twitter and pick sides in a bourgeoisie war and call it leftism while applying my clown makeup.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        “well ackshuallly they’re not openly neonazis anymore”

        Well it worked for NATO, so I don't blame them for trying it again now.

      • FreakingSpy [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I've also seen a few comments in that thread going

        "Well, ackshually they are nazis but Ukraine needs brave warriors to defend itself. Heroiam Slava!"

  • WhyEssEff [she/her]
    hexagon
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    3 years ago

    Plus the fact that Russia is doing a horrible doesn’t mean we should DEFEND THE AZOV BATTALION :matt-jokerfied:

    • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      You do not, and I fucking passionately beg of you, have to hand it to fascist paramilitaries.

      Fuck, let's do some due diligence here. The whole basis of the "clean wehrmacht" myth is rested upon the idea that the SS and Einsatzgruppen etc were basically "paramilitaries" rather than "real militaries." Oh, and they were definitely fascist.

      Oh no. Oh no. :( The west combined them again.

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Also how do they not know that it's Azov or right sector or C14 committing the atrocities? How do they know that it's Russia? It's war right now, no one knows what's going on.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        If you count civil wars then America does this literally every day all day but for full on International warfare it is a bit odd if anything cause they find a way to become a first party

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    There's an anti-"tankie" to fascist pipeline in the sense that there is a pipeline from my faucet to my sink

  • ultraviolet [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Wow an anti-tankie anti-communist place is doing fascist apologia :shocked-pikachu:

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    3 years ago

    Where was all this supposed concern for warcrimes when videos were coming out of Azov occupied Mariupol, hmmmmm

    • cawsby [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Since the winners of WWII in creating the UN decided they should never face war crime tribunals they will never face them. Since the advent of the UN security council and its never-changing five member veto club most war crimes - imperial/colonial wars - escape justice because of a veto made. The only war crimes that the UN ever uses its security powers on are when colonies or former colonies resist aggression from one of the five.

      Should Azov, The Wagner Group, all the FSB/CIA/Mi-6 and countless more be held accountable for their actions in Ukraine? They sure should, but they won't. Not while those vetoes hold.

      There is no hope for Ukraine or Russia to prosecute their own soldiers in what began as a small scale civil war in less than 10% of the country. They'll partition off and hate each other for a few generations and no one will ever be held accountable. That is the sad truth for all those civilians brutalized in this war. There will be no justice, and all because of some bullshit that was decided 80 years ago. Who is going to force either NATO or Russia to hold themselves to account? Nobody.

  • pppp1000 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    That sub has been shit since the election year. They posted a border guard falling in love with a refugee as wholesome.

  • DragonNest_Aidit [they/them,use name]
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    3 years ago

    The whole project have always been a bust because it utterly failed to hurt Stonetoss' image the same Turning Point :charlie-kirk: edits or Shapiro :gun-shapiro: memes does, for one he even credits the memes for his jump of popularity over the year, in particular in making his brand more well-known.

    And yeah overtime the whole thing stopped being parody edit of Stonetoss' comics and instead became rage comics but with Stonetoss art. Which as you say it stopped being a parody and starts being fascist propaganda.

  • FirstToServe [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    You don't get comment sections that immaculately in agreement without a complete mod lockdown of discussion

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    3 years ago

    man i really hate stonetoss! but he kind of has a point about commies being traitors to the west who should all hang from lampposts

  • rafflesia [she/her, doe/deer]
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    3 years ago

    Never liked that sub or whatever because they'd just make regular, shitty memes with that art. So subversive! :so-true:

  • Harajukum [any]
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    3 years ago

    i have seen the opposite of this argument , actually

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      3 years ago

      honestly it's amazing the centroids can't find the right line on this. this is a case where "both sides are bad" is obviously, blatantly true.