There is no way they aren't just straight up going to come for us.

Edit:For Cis comrades, spread the word and emphasize the seriousness of this to everyone you can. Making sure people actually know about this is the most important thing as the majority of people just dont know anything or pay attention.

  • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with Blood.

  • Kestrel [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Love and solidarity to all my trans comrades. This is getting more and more fucked.

    :trans-sad:

  • WALLTHERICH [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    sure, sure, adventurism is bad or whatever. but consider how much better the world would be if these fucking bigots were stapled to a rooftop for a few weeks and left as an example to the rest.

  • newmou [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Does it feel like this has been escalating super quickly over the last like 6 months?

    • p_sharikov [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Yes. I think it's part of their strategy for midterms, along with the CRT stuff.

      They're getting bolder because they smell blood in the water. They know they can sweep the next election cycle.

    • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Since the beginning of the year well over 300 anti-LGBT bills have been introduced across the US, most of them having to do with trans people, so yeah, there's been a definite escalation

  • Charon [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Dear cishet people: if you want to help, you need to build a network before the camps open and everybody loses the ability to fence sit. If you can covertly transport medicine, or better yet people, you might be able to save some lives soon. Anyone who’s snuck across the Canadian border to drink as a minor, your experience is about to pay off. Tell any queer people you know that your home is open to them. If anyone wants more direction, I can share some limited organizing experience.

    It might be useful to compile a list of resources for people to find homes in areas out of the country, closer to the border, or just in areas which are safer in the short-term. I believe there was an effort to build a network for this early on in the site so if there was any success to that I’m open to help

    I’d love to hear from anyone who has a background in history and can provide some examples of refugee liberation to help inform how this is best done and what the pitfalls are

    • Quimby [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      I'm doing my best to do this. I currently offer shelter to trans people and SA survivors I know irl, and if shit hits the fan in this country, I will start reaching out to online people too.

      My plan--for better or worse--is to rely on my own wealth and class privilege as the protection. I could be wrong, of course. But that's my plan.

      • Charon [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I think we talked the last time I commented. You’re doing what needs done, comrade

        Thank you :rosa-salute:

    • Thrush [she/her,fae/faer]
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      2 years ago

      If anyone knows good orgs doing this, please let me know. I probably want to get involved.

  • Azarova [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    and all the cis people in my life seem to think my panic is an overreaction. very cool :)

    • Charon [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Don’t let them gaslight you. They’ll watch their entire block burn down and not give a shit because it hasn’t caught their house yet. Solidarity, friend

    • CrimsonSage [any]
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      2 years ago

      Seconding the dont let them, shit is really serious and they need to fucking get with he program if they care about you. You are loved comrade :trans-heart:

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    • kristina [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      i talked with local gang members about this legislation and they said they'd have my back if anything like that went down where i live, they already give free weed to cancer patients

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        • kristina [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          they already do a thing where they ferry prescription meds from canada to sell cheaper on the black market than what pharma does, a lot of gangs do that

          • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Organizing gangs has a lot of potential. The last guy who did it was onto something, because the feds shot him :fred-hampton:

    • Quimby [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      spironolactone can also be prescribed for acne. and both testosterone and estrogen can be prescribed for various conditions.

      so it's more of a rich/privileged person option, but hopefully people can also find doctors to prescribe these things the way people used to get weed when it was "medical only" and suddenly everyone had "glaucoma".

      • Quimby [any, any]
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        2 years ago

        maybe not, but I think t is already readily available because of bodybuilding and stuff! so it's just a matter of doing your research and making sure you know dosing and side effects and safe suppliers.

        • Charon [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          I have a friend whose insurance company stopped approving his t out of nowhere and he’s now having trouble finding a doctor to “begin treatment again”. Guess it’s time to start doing some research

          • Quimby [any, any]
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            2 years ago

            I know nothing about this, but found it with a Google search https://getplume.co/?GRSA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIms6insim9wIVy56zCh3C5QhqEAAYASABEgJRM_D_BwE#pricing

            could be worth looking into?

          • Quimby [any, any]
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            2 years ago

            damn. I'm sorry to hear that. hopefully it will help that he already knew the name of the medicine and dose he was taking and stuff.

            But yeah, it sucks how important it is to find the right doctor and get the right person at the insurance company looking at your file. For any kind of treatment. And, of course, it's another area where there is a huge disparity between rich and poor.

          • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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            2 years ago

            An anonymized compilation of people's transition plans would probably be pretty handy. Anyone aware of any projects out there like that?

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      • silent_water [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        yes but with the caveat that trying to distribute it will net you the attention of the DEA and FBI. it might work if distribution is limited to a vouched and trusted network and kept secret.

        but yes, you can find raw testosterone enanthate on alibaba as easily as estradiol valerate.

        also with testosterone, you have to use more preservatives in the formulation because you can't ensure sterilization by heating the packaged final product to 200C. and there's allergy risks with the most often used preservative - which is important to know when you're handing it to other people because they may have a negative reaction.

    • silent_water [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      pressure cooker probably doesn't help here because it's hard to control temperature and the seal means that the pressure arguably doesn't help neutralize contaminants. luckily, I did research into this for the same reasons, and it turns out that estradiol can pretty safely taken up to 200C without damaging it, unlike testosterone. so at least for trans women, you can safely make hormones by getting a specialized oven for like $100 bucks that will keep the temperature at between 180C-200C for an hour. do make sure to do spore testing though - you need to intentionally contaminate a sample with resistant spores, put it through your process, and have a lab verify that they couldn't get the spores to grow.

      I have notes on all this somewhere I've been meaning to post... let me dig them out and start a thread.

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        • silent_water [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          oh got it. people sometimes use a pressure cooker as a makeshift autoclave and I just meant that it won't work like that. I haven't actually tested this yet to see if the pressure build up in an oven causes problems.

    • Charon [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Lots of kids who are waiting for 18 and won’t make it to 25

      • kristina [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        its just straight up torture and genocide. they want us to go through the whole wrong puberty so that we have to pay tons of money to get surgeries and hrt will have less noticeable effects. also helps them with visibly targeting us for harassment. if you deny any other minority group life saving medications that is genocide, straight up. but with trans people, its fine!

        • Charon [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          The first thing done to any group who the United States decides they don’t like, both foreign and domestic, is to cut off access to their healthcare. We bomb hospitals and we experiment on people without consent and we call them demons and perverts as they die in the street. It’s genocide all the way down.

  • kristina [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    :gui-trans: is all i have to say. banning it for adults is completely insane, tantamount to legal torture and genocide, and must be resisted with force. not even some of the worst places on the planet for trans people have laws like this.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    There is little I can offer other than to say that people should start looking hard right now about getting out of the country entirely if they're in a marginalized group and not in some liberal or left-wing stronghold region. The United States is a sinking ship, and those are always more bearable to watch from the coast than on deck.

    • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah I genuinely am wondering if this culmination of legislation is enough grounds for people to seek asylum l

        • Azarova [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Wasn't there that one woman that fled the UK to NZ? There's at least some precident of fleeing from an imperial core nation to escape transphobia but unfortunately I share your pessimissim.

            • x8vmte4nhf7joq7p [any]
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              2 years ago

              Not exactly, but kinda--she was granted residency on humanitarian grounds. Besides the transphobic abuse she experienced in the UK, the other major factor was that her family was all living in either NZ or Australia, so she would be returning to an abusive environment with no support.

              Weirdly, it's not laid out in the article, but looking at (PDF warning, also contains descriptions of transphobic abuse) the tribunal's actual decision it seems her visa had expired and she was to be deported. That article also mentions that NZ is accepting an increasing number of refugees on the basis of "sexual and gender orientation." All of the cases mentioned are outside the Anglosphere, but if conditions continue to deteriorate it doesn't seem unreasonable to think they'd consider Americans as well.

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      • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        why German Jews didn’t just move as soon as Hitler took power

        some did, which is why I exist

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Flashback to every time we railed against TERFs and how their allyship to conservative political movements was going to lead to these exact outcomes. "I don't want trans kids to commit suicide" well they fucking will now, you fucking coward dipshit.

    Edit: Swear to god, replace trans with a race and every single TERF argument is just nightmare nazi bullshit. I have no other word to describe a person so afraid of people that they are willing to throw children to the wolves. Absolute cowards.

    • Thrush [she/her,fae/faer]
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      2 years ago

      Every single TERF should be brutally murdered on stafe during a queer burlesque riot. I'm not fucking kidding, they deserve to die terrified and disoriented.

  • pikman1 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Have a bad feeling trans issues will be treated like abortion likely will be soon: Legal to be trans in blue states, illegal in red.

    • Charon [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      That’s what the culture war is for. “If you don’t like it there, why don’t you move?”

      • Des [she/her, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        closer and closer to a ye olde fashioned group of states vs group of states civil war

    • Quimby [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      I see two things to do (but I'm not trans, so I can't speak for my comrades):

      \1. support trans people. financially, emotionally, logistically... whatever you're able to do. and, ask trans people what they need. (again, I'm cis, so like, this stuff is my best guess, but I'm also asking my comrades "hey, I'm here for you: how can I help?)

      \2. much less importantly: bully terfs. I'm a believer that bullying works. I don't mean "shame" them, the way liberals do. I mean bully them. If someone starts to complain about trans people in sports, make fun of them for being unathletic, cowardly, dumb, wanting a participation trophy... whatever.

      also, the rhetoric of "why are we always talking about trans people??"--throw that right back at them. "hey, you know people are having real problems right now? there's an opioid epidemic, and gas prices are through the roof, inflation, covid... why are you so worried about trans people? ugh. you liberal elites. worrying about trans people when real Americans have bigger problems. "

      • p_sharikov [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I think bullying tactics are actually highly inadvisable from this point on. Bullying only works when you're in power, and even then it tends to achieve compliance, not genuine agreement. When you're no longer in power, bullying rhetoric gives your enemies an opportunity to claim that you were the instigator when they attack you. And those libs you bullied into compliance will not back you up, because they never really changed their mind.

        The types of rhetoric I'm seeing in trans spaces is going to be disastrous in the hyper conservative America we are headed towards.

    • silent_water [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      there are a hell of a lot of unhoused trans people and there are going to be more as we're pushed further into the margins of the states passing these laws. if you're in states that don't have laws like this on the book, expect migrants.

      it's like all organizing. you have to meet people, talk to them about their needs, and find ways to meet the ones you can. as a bonus, because we're talking about a population experiencing a genocide, they'll be some of the most radical people on earth. you will never meet better comrades.

    • silent_water [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      also, here's a guide on how to manufacture estradiol (and testosterone, with caveats): https://hexbear.net/post/189132

    • Charon [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      You’re not alone. The people who are paying attention and have skin in the game are getting scared and I don’t think it’s an unreasonable fear

      • Thrush [she/her,fae/faer]
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        2 years ago

        Like who? If you've got any "canaries", you'd recommend following on twitter, I would appreciate it.

    • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Costa Rica is good too if you speak Spanish. Know a lot of trans people that went there with how hostile my country is towards trans people. Mexico and Colombia are pretty good for the region too.