I don't want to hear any shit about me shilling for Biden, because I'm not. Fuck Biden. Need to get this off my chest though.

I want fascists around the world to feel what we felt the night Corbyn lost, when we found out Bernie had a heart attack, when he conceded defeat like a coward.

Because they haven't felt anything but power and hate for the past 5 years.

The wave of fascist parties taking hold in Europe and parts of South America were buoyed by what happened on our stolen land. We showed them what was possible and we need to do that again, except in an explicit rejection of rightwing fascism.

I want Trump to be buried alive (electorally) so we can take (online) pilgrimages to piss on his (campaign's) grave.

I want Biden to be on full display 24/7 so that the entire world realizes what a joke neoliberalism is and we can finally destroy it.

I want to build real power and bully libs and tell them that we don't have to take their shit because "The dang cheeto" is no longer in the White House and we're not fucking around, and all of the harm that is happening to people around the world is because their guy is a failure.

I feel at this point leftist orgs need to own up to their anti-fascist claims and do the bare minimum of calling for Trumps removal, even if they also denounce Biden in the process.

Anyways. Have a nice night, comrades. Stay safe and stay hydrated.

QUICK EDIT: I also wanna see the left organize an anti-war movement rivaling the leadup to Iraq under a Democratic president the minute Sleepy Joe tries to pull some shit. That would fucking slap.
Misinterpreted and I'm dead tired but this was just an example, not "wishing genocide" or some other weird shit.

ANOTHER EDIT: People seem to be implying that I am saying "vote for Biden".. I'm not, I am expressing my own views and feelings on the current state of hell, though it should NOT be controversial to want to remove a literal fascist from office on a leftist internet community.

  • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
    5·
    4 years ago

    "I'm voting for Biden and I fully expect him to take us into an Iraq-level war again" is an extremely hot take

    Edit:

    How many anti-war protests have you seen under Trump btw? You think when Trump's out of office, libs will turn on him because he didn't end support for Saudi or something?

    This is just too fucking weird. And when you say "tries to start some shit," you're talking about the deaths of thousands of innocent people who have no responsibility for American domestic politics.

    Honestly just writing this response is getting me more pissed off. Fuck you you piece of shit.

    • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
      ·
      4 years ago

      I'm not voting for Biden explicitly because I think be will take us to an Iraq war type event again. It's arguably the biggest reason I'm unable to vote for Biden.

      I struggle to see how anyone with the level of political education to really be a part of a community like this one couldn't see it this way. A vote for Biden is a continued endorsement of imperialism.

      • HeckHound [he/him]
        3·
        4 years ago

        Bad call. Not a single thing hagensfohawk posted was out of line considering the frankly heinous shit that heqt1c is apparently ok with so long as the Cheeto is kicked out of the White House.

      • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
        2·
        4 years ago

        Saying "Wow! Didn't know that being anti-Trump is frowned upon here :/ " is bad faith

    • heqt1c [he/him]
      17·
      4 years ago

      Where'd I say that?

      I said I wanted the same level of energy "the minute sleepy Joe tries to pull some shit", that could be as "minor" (relative term) as expansion of drone strikes, which Trump has already been doing (exceeding Obamas drone strike rate last year)

      The left went to sleep under Obama, they drank his kool aid and people around the world paid the price.

      I don't think anybody is drinking any of Biden's pool water here.

      • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
        2·
        4 years ago

        The left organizing antiwar protests under Biden would look like the left organizing antiwar protests under Obama. It would basically be 30 members of DC PSL.

        • heqt1c [he/him]
          7·
          4 years ago

          That's 100% on us, DSA and other groups are 20x the size they were compared to under obama.

          • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
            4·
            4 years ago

            The DSA's politics are too incoherent. What's the DSA's take on Syria? What about sending antitank missiles to Ukraine?

            • heqt1c [he/him]
              10·
              4 years ago

              The DSA is only as good as the people who participate in it are.

              When's the last meeting you've attended (pre-covid even, to be fair).

              But to answer your question, my chapter is more concerned with foreign policy in the western hemisphere and middle east

              • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
                3·
                4 years ago

                I'm not in DSA.

                And Syria is in the middle east dumbass. And I'm not shocked that your chapter is is more concerned with western hemisphere plus middle east (which I'm sure is basically just a collection of issues: Iraq war, Palestine, maybe Yemen if we're lucky), since that is often where politics is most clear for socdems

                • heqt1c [he/him]
                  19·
                  4 years ago

                  Sorry I am just a little rattled that its a controversial take to be against a fascist on Chapo Chat.

                    • heqt1c [he/him]
                      21·
                      4 years ago

                      https://gitlab.com/chapo-sandbox/production/-/blob/main/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md

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                      Please be kind and courteous to your fellow leftists. There’s no need to be mean or rude unless it's a chud.

                      Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community. Discussing differences in theory is fine and encouraged, just don't make it personal. Remember: Sectarianism is liberalism.

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                  • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
                    ·
                    4 years ago

                    This is totally a bad faith response, you can't post this shit and expect anyone here to take anything further you post seriously.

                    Trump is horrible, but fuck, at least he is incompetent at imperialism when compared to past presidents. A vote for Biden is a vote for competent imperialism in exchange for a competent domestic leader.

    • heqt1c [he/him]
      21·
      4 years ago

      How many anti-war protests have you seen under Trump btw? You think when Trump’s out of office, libs will turn on him because he didn’t end support for Saudi or something?

      Three hour news cycles. Shit happens too fast under Trump.

      This is just too fucking weird. And when you say “tries to start some shit,” you’re talking about the deaths of thousands of innocent people who have no responsibility for American domestic politics.

      Trump increased drone strikes over Obama's previous record already... are those lives not worth anything?

      Honestly just writing this response is getting me more pissed off. Fuck you you piece of shit.

      Then Chill, I am just trying to have a reasonable discussion about removing a literal fascist from office, that shouldn't be controversial on a leftist internet form.