"You claim to be a vegetarian, yet you eat grains and fruits. Curious."
That kinda makes sense, like I've described a beyond meat burger as a veggie burger before
A vegetarian is a person that does not eat meat, not a person that exclusively eats vegetables.
Kind of makes sense. In India we say Non-Veg to mean meat and Veg to mean not meat.
A meal of rice and lentils would be Veg. No vegetables though. Since vegetarians can eat it.
No idea what Kellogg's is trying to sell though
No idea what Kellogg’s is trying to sell though
Seems like they're fighting off a legitimately frivolous lawsuit.
No, 'veggies' has usually meant vegetables. Like, fruits & veggies or "Eat all your veggies before you can play outside". If this does get thrown out, it'll become just another meaningless marketing word. Like "diet".
Veggie has meant "lacks meat" for a long time now as well. When I buy a "veggie" Jamaican patty or a "veggie" burger, I fully expect it to be made using black beans or TVP, or other plant matter that isnt necessarily literally a vegetable. A reasonable consumer should be able to distinguish when veggie indicates vegetarian and when veggie indicates vegetable, unless there is a clear grammatical ambiguity I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be the case.
Edit: yeah, all the products listed very clearly go this route. This is as crazy as when food manufacturers tried to claim that vegan alternatives of mayo and dairy milk were being misleading by using the term mayo or milk when they are very clearly labeled. Seems frivolous to me.
Nah, that's gonna confuse the hell out of a lot of people. It's only something you'd know if you were already buying the meat-flavored stuff. People who weren't already are only gonna see that there's another food packaging word they can no longer trust to mean what they think it does.
What harm is done by people who would not purchase vegetarian seeing packaging and thinking it's literally a vegetable burger instead of a vegetarian burger? What is the likelihood that someone completely unaware that "veggie X" is in common parlance would purchase a veggie burger based on this confusion? I don't think a person who is a "reasonable consumer" in any meaningful sense would be put in the position of making an erroneous purchase based on this, so I don't see why literally every vegetarian product would need to change to accommodate them.
This is a legal case, the question they have to decide is whether consumers are being misled to the point of making erroneous purchases, and potentially have suffered personal or financial harm. The question isn't about whether in some abstract sense this harms the public's trust in food labeling.
A vegetarian is not someone who eats vegetables or someone who only eats vegetables. It is someone who does not eat meat.
morningstar farm products, owned by kelloggs, which are vegetarian meat analogues like burgers, corn dogs, bacon, sausage, etc, etc. mostly made of TVP/processed soy protein
Nutritionally speaking, grains are starches, along with starchy tubers like potatoes. Vegetables tend to be the non-starchy, non-reproductive parts of plants like non-starchy roots, leaves, and immature flowers (plus the occasional fruit like tomatoes, eggplants, and peppers).
"Yeah, I'm a vegetarian"
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Aren't they though? I thought that the dividing line between vegan and vegetarian was on if they could have dairy/eggs/other animal products that don't kill them
Depends who you ask. Technically there is no dividing line culinarily between vegan and vegetarian. Vegans are vegetarian. The problem is that the vast majority of people who call themselves vegetarian are not actually vegetarians. They are what you would technically call lacto-ovo vegetarian (in other words, vegetarian AND milk and eggs)
Kellogg Sales Company has misrepresented a number of MorningStar Farms products in that their predominant non-water ingredient is not vegetables, or even vegetable-based, as consumers are led to believe, but grain or oil, a proposed class action claims.
Also I didn’t know Kellogg owned morningstar lol
I understand why these labeling wars happen - but it is very sad to me that so much time, money, and energy goes into pedantic disputes to marginally improve consumer attitude towards our slop.
Nearly every "good" food brand for organic or vegan products is owned by one of the massive food corporations.
Don't worry too much about how people classify different plant foods. The botanic definition is the only one that's actually consistent and well defined (legumes are fruits or seeds), and it's also the most useless for regular conversation (an ear of corn is a fruit).
If you want to be a huge hit at parties, an ear of corn is technically an infructescence, while the individual grains are fruits (caryopsis).
I legit had to look it up, apparently they are lol. Thought they were seperate
I have no idea. I feel like vegetables in some sense are things like broccoli, carrots, eggplant, whatever, and stuff like lettuce and spinach are not "vegetables" but they're still vegetable. Anyone giving nutrition advice must have a headache trying to generalise.
Yeah classification is probably bogged down by old food pyramid era-terminologies, makes figuring out what is and isn't good for you pretty difficult.
I eat morningstar stuff constantly so for the purpose of getting a piece of the class-action settlement I will say I am outraged they did not compress broccoli into my fake meat patties.
Pass dat class action link when you find it, comrade.
Accordingly, reasonable consumers understand and expect that products marketed as “veggie” are made from vegetables, rather than beans or other legumes, grains, tofu, oil, or anything else
It basically boils down to this argument, which I don't think is necessarily true. By the dictionary definition, "veggie" can be slang for vegetarian, or if it is slang for vegetable, a definition of vegetable (as an adj.) includes "made from, obtained from, or containing plants or plant products" which applies to wheat or soy protein.
