• ultraviolet [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Wow the line that goes up doesn't mean anything for regular folks :surprised-pika:

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        That "rising tide lifts all boats" metaphor is really stupid. Let's compare economic inequality with the relative altitude of boats on water with bodies of water famously known for keeping all boats at pretty much the same altitude.

  • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I remember a girl I went to high school with posting on FB in like 2017 about how great the NASDAQ and DOW were doing under the big wet boy and I could only think about how she had been asking around if anyone had a car for sale for 1k a couple weeks before.

  • xenobian [he/him,any]
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    3 years ago

    Aren't the middle class the strongest bulwark against socialism. Why are they unhappy. This is what they signed up for or did they overestimate their importance for capitalism

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The threat of socialism has diminished significantly since the destruction of the USSR, allowing the bourgeoisie to let their bulwark decay.

      • xenobian [he/him,any]
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        3 years ago

        yeah and now they're finding out they are expendable. which was inevitable. I mean Marx predicted this like almost 200 years ago but propaganda is a hell of a drug

  • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    "insurance for herself and her 7-year-old daughter through her employer cost $1,400 a month"

    • Foolio [any]
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      3 years ago

      🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢

      Unless you're rich, you can get a marketplace plan via Obamacare for less than that, so there's literally no reason to pay that.

      • InternetLefty [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Why would they pay more then? Are you saying that they're lying or that they're unwittingly paying more than they need to?

        • Foolio [any]
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          3 years ago

          I'm saying the author of the article is lying by omission to set an agenda - in this case there's something very weird going on because a "middle class" person would be able to get a subsidy and pay way less with Obamacare, as shitty as Obamacare is. One possibility is that this "struggling middle class" person makes like $150k. Or they do shady tax shit and that's why they won't get an ACA plan.

          If they use little white lies like that, there's probably other cap going on.

  • Mother [any]
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    3 years ago

    “The economy” is a euphemism for corporate profits (Zinn)

  • discountsocialism [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Most public policy already overwhelmingly benefits the middle class rather than the people who actually need it.

    • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      It's a consequence of them being rich enough to have money but poor enough to pay tax. They have to spend a lot of resources keeping them placated as they tax the shit out of them to fund their forever wars.

  • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Yea. I've climbed the income ladder rapidly but housing prices have climbed just as hard.

  • JuneFall [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    So how to deal with people who tell me that Marx failed to account for the middle class and their glorious life in the US now?

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The middle class in the US has the life they do because of the exploitation of workers and resources in the global south. If the US was prevented from doing that the comfortable middle classes would see their living standards drop like a stone balloon. And in Marx's day, this was just as true only it was more from exploitation of domestic workers.

      If there IS something Marx failed to consider, it's how much the wealth generated by capitalism comes from stealing from the future i.e. environmental destruction and climate change. So much of our economic growth the last 200+ years comes from burning fossil fuels, which is really just making current and past generations wealthy at the expense of future ones. Literally just stealing wealth from our descendants.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    :doomjak: I really do hate it here. I see the maw of the machine grinding humanity to pieces. It's so much worse to look down and see it coming.

  • OfficialBenGarrison [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    On one hand. Americans are stupid for getting suckered by their blind trust in the private sector, yet on another, I am stuck in this shithole too.