Many such cases.
LOL
It's coming around. Sadly.
https://www.removedute.com/video/j7WzsbiwcXoc/
Can't wait for western intelligence officials, who were always a 100% reliable source to libs and chuds when saying Russia bad, to suddenly be wrong about something in their minds
You're tripping if you think that:
a. the media will cover this beyond an article or two b. libs would integrate this information, even if covered c. libs would ever question info from US intelligence officials
I still get libs citing the "Chinese spy balloon" even though the military put out a press release that the balloon transmitted no data. Media never boosted it, so they never saw it. Would be curious to see how they react if they did. I'd still bet on mental gymnastics like "only because cheap Chinese junk lololol"
CIA has the heart attack gun. Russia has the blood clot gun
Why is this news being given by Ukraine's intelligence chief? I would assume we'd get it from another vector.
Because if anyone has incentive to say he was assassinated, it's Ukraine, so we can be pretty sure they're telling the truth.
If a clot was formed due to a poison or something, is that detectable? Or is this one of those things that will always be shrouded in suspicion because we'll never know if the clot was 'natural' or part of a more intentional plot?
I mean, you can always posit another hypothesis because it is very difficult to prove a negative, but if a coagulant or something was administered to him, it should turn up on an autopsy. Ultimately, given the position of Ukrainian intelligence here, the more reasonable conclusion is that people die eventually and that's the extent of the meaning of what happened (or perhaps you could add that the stress of his situation hastened his demise, which is probably true).
You're saying Ukraine's intelligence chief is wrong? Smdh just what a Russian bot would say
LOL. I’m not a Russian bot. I didn’t really see the ‘Ukrainian spy chief’ part.
here I am feeling guilty sometimes making a comment halfway through a 200 comment thread before scrolling on to find someone else already made the same joke while this mf making smug comments when they've not even read half the headline.
Ah hey. The point is the guy should not have been killed. It’s criminal and a horrific act.
He was a hitlerite fascist who called Muslims cockroaches that must be exterminated. He absolutely should have been killed. The fact God caused his blood to clot proves this.
It's wild how up in arms liberals always get for the human rights of fascists. Eight years of kids in Donbas getting shelled: I sleep. Leader of an ethnonationalist faction gets assassinated: criminal and horrific act.
So you didn't read the first half of the headline, either!
He wasn't killed, he died from a blood clot. Even Ukraine isn't entertaining speculation that Russia killed him.
Ok there comrade. Posted right at the start of the Moscow work day. Typical bot.
Sorry?!?! I totally support what the guy stood for. Putin is a shitstain.
I totally support what the guy stood for.
Navalny was a driving force in the annual anti-Muslim, antisemitic, anti-immigrant “Russian March” in Moscow. Its central themes are “Take Back Russia,” “Russia for Russians” and “Stop Feeding the Caucasus” — the latter a demand to end federal subsidies to poorer, less-developed, largely Muslim regions of Russia. He has a video ad calling Central Asian and Muslim peoples of the Caucasus in Russia “cockroaches that must be exterminated” while implying people should go out and shoot them.
Interesting. I guess I, and most other people in the West just assumed he was anti-Putin and therefore good.
Hey, this user is reevaluating their original assumptions taking into account new information.
That is already a far step above the typical westerner response of pluging their ears and going "nuh uh" then accusing you of being a foreign intelligence agent.
Huh that's weird that's exactly what we've been saying the entire time and we've been called every fucking name in the book by you smug dipshit liberals.
Now take this sudden realization that you had no idea about the person until the media told you about him 6 months ago and the media intentionally propped him up as a hero despite all that and apply it to the entire war.
Sure would be nice if there was any actual benefit to it but instead we just get called Russian bots or children who don't understand the vast complexities of the things we keep predicting 2 years I'm advance.
At large, they were wrong about the military buildup at the border not being for an actual invasion.
Dialectical materialism is just such an effective analytical tool that those who can apply it to current events wind up at accurate conclusions far more frequently than those who can't.
"They" once again being liberals.
A bunch of people were saying that it was about to happen, specifically people with access to information that would make them qualified to make that prediction.
Those same people are now saying ukraine has no way to win.
Its just that, once again, the entirety of the liberal media hegemony lied to you to maintain the status quo.
This is the time when you should self-reflect about how the West propaganda you into this state. Governments, media lie all the time, why should you trust them when they report about their enemy's countries?
yeah it's almost like you and most people in the west know nothing at all
Hexbears stop dogpiling users for learning and correcting their assumptions challenge any%
I understand how it can be frustrating for you idiots to be constantly corrected by us, but maybe if you tried learning before assuming you wouldn't find yourselves geting dogpiled for your ignorant kneejerk support of an islamophobic white supremacist ultranationalist.
I'm not the one frustrated. Just in a Pavlovian sense, it seems counterproductive to clown the people willing to listen the hardest.
the people willing to listen the hardest.
I don't know if you can see usernames on your instance but theirs ends in "@lemmy", not "@hexbear" or "@lemmygrad".
Liberals speedrun going from telling us we dont know anything to criticizing us for being smug we were right for the 1000th time any%
Maybe if people would stop calling us dumb tankies who don't know how the world works we would stop saying "told you so" everytime we were proven right, again
Also eat my whole ass
And here you are undermining the ukraine war effort by spreading russian propaganda
How is that spreading Russian propaganda?!
Putin wants to undermine everything Ukraine does and everything their officials say. He wants us to think he killed Navalny in order to boost this message to opponents of Russia, and when a Ukrainian official breaks the truth here you are clinging to Putler's fantasies. Don't bother KGB bot, I have personally read every word Anne Applebaum has ever written and would never fall for your underhanded slavic tricks.
How is that spreading Russian propaganda?!?!
wow, you can tell it's an election year... don't even bother, i know you and your kremlin bot army are just here to convince me not to vote for hillary again. for the record, it won't work. i'm voting for her twice this year.
I think it's unfair to someone this credulous, so I will let you in on the fact that they are fucking with you when they call you a Russian bot or whatever. People are just really sick of dealing with ignorant neoliberals who treat Navalny like Tank Man. The other things they said, about him being a fascist, etc., were sincere and have even been covered in overly-sympathetic sources like Atlantic.
I recently understood that he ‘flirted’ with the rightwing many years ago, but didn’t know he still was.
I know you're getting roasted in the replies, but this is absolutely what most reasonable people would assume given the media atmosphere in the west right now.
It's just that western media is generally an unquestioning megaphone for the desires of the US national security apparatus because they'll lose access to information sources if they don't.
It's always worth exploring information from other sources, especially when it's about foreign affairs.
A good strategy for this is:
- Pick one country opposed to the West on a given issue
- Pick one country that is neither allied or opposed
- Search "<country> top news sites"
- Search the topic on a few of those sites. Translate pages if necessary.
I use an RSS feed reader, so when I find a source with English-language version of the site & an RSS feed, I add those to my geopolitics feed, tagging them by country and continent.
It was late. I was tired. The guy was executed. Slow or fast, he was killed for being a political opponent, and likely tortured in the process.
Yeah I did. It may have ultimately been a blood clot, but that was almost certainly the result of all the abuse he suffered.
Putin is personally responsible for his death.
Is genocide Joe responsible for every prison death in America as well?
Loosely, yes. At least for federal prisons. He has pardon power and can appoint the department heads for the DoJ and FBI.
I'd say Putin bears minimally that much responsibility in this case as well.
Either way, I wouldn't mourn an American nationalist dying in prison, and neither will I for a Russian nationalist.
Putin personally walked into his cell and shot him in the head with the blood clot gun.
What you're doing here is interpreting any evidence as supportive of the conclusion you chose at the beginning. You're making that conclusion unfalsifiable.
If Russia said he died of natural causes, you'd say they're lying. Ukraine says the same thing, well this blood clot must be evidence of torture. Why Ukraine wouldn't jump on that interpretation if it was at all plausible is left unanswered. If he was struck by lightning you'd say Putin used him to test a new superweapon.
This situation is interesting and IMO very revealing about Western media.
- Russia hates this guy because he's a fascist and collaborates with the West against the ruling order.
- Ukraine hates this guy because he's a Russian nationalist and supports the war and annexation of Russian-speaking Ukrainian territories.
So what does Western media do when those interests are at odds? Across the board, they put an enormous effort into supporting him.
What this reveals is that the interests of Ukraine are much less important to the US & its media apparatus than bludgeoning Russia. All the huffing and puffing about lives lost in Ukraine was not because they are mourning the loss of human life, but because it makes Russia look bad. This became a lot more obvious when they refuse to cover a far larger number of Gazan deaths with the same vigor.
