• Trouble [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    These titles suck lol. Claws of the Panda? The second pearl harbor? These are things I would name fictional xenophobic books as a joke.

    • HornyOnMain
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      3 years ago

      Claws of the Panda sounds like a Tintin book

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Hmm, what's something scary and threatening that I can associate with China? Oh, I know! Pandas!

          • SaniFlush [any, any]
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            3 years ago

            They stand on their hind legs and show their claws to appear larger and more threatening.

        • Owl [he/him]
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          edit-2
          3 years ago

          Easy. Red panda.

          edit: damnit!

        • NomadicWarMachine [any]
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          3 years ago

          There the only country outside of the Americas with alligators, I know that

        • x8vmte4nhf7joq7p [any]
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          edit-2
          3 years ago

          I'll be honest, I'd be hard pressed to name many animals strongly associated with specific countries. Off the top of my head:

          USA - Bald eagle/American bison
          Mexico - Golden eagle
          Canada - Caribou
          Peru - Alpaca
          Bolivia - Guinea pig
          Russia - Brown bear
          India - Indian elephant/Bengal tiger
          China - Giant panda
          Australia - a zillion species only native to Australia
          Japan - tanuki (raccoon dog)/those macaques that hang out in hot springs

          ...yup, that's all I've got.

  • GoroAkechi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Japan had a huge economic bubble in the 80s that propelled them to one of the highest valued economies in the world. This bubble ended up bursting and costing them a lot of money in the process

  • Commander_Data [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    There was a huge fear that Japan was overtaking the US in terms of productivity in the late 80s and early 90s. There are even a bunch of legacy Japanese terms in efficiency and productivity spaces today like kaizan, kanban, etc. If you want to see the height of the panic distilled into fiction read Rising Sun or watch the film. It's some pretty disgusting, but effective, propoganda. The empire needed a new enemy as it was clear by then the US had come out of the cold war on top. Japan was a stand in for the USSR, until the more politically expedient bogeyman of middle-eastern terrorism could be manufactured.

    • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Isn't this also partly why you saw so much action schlock and cyberpunk-y stuff in the 80s and 90s cast Japanese businessmen and Yakuza as villains?

      • Commander_Data [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        I think less so with that stuff, tbh. Like most entertainment under capitalism, cyberpunk took an original, groundbreaking work, Gibson's Neuromancer, and repackaged it to maximize profit. Neuromancer is set in Japan, Chiba City, on Tokyo Bay, so the clones and copycats were trying to mimic that aesthetic. Obviously all art, even bad art, is somewhat a reflection of the society in which it's produced, so yeah, that anti-Japanese sentiment is there, but I think it's less a function of intentional propaganda and more trying to make a cheap buck.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          I think it was in the air already, even before Gibson. Bladerunner came out in 1982, two years before Neuromancer. Gibson was writing Neuromancer at the time and was stunned the movie had such a similar vibe to the book he hadn't finished yet.

          Bladerunner is definitely expressing an anti-Japanese sentiment by conflating general social decay with an increase in Asian people and culture in Los Angeles.

  • bayezid [any]
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    3 years ago

    Japan was just looking like it would overtake the US and america couldn't cope.

    • Blottergrass [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Americans will say shit like "they're giving our jobs awayto the Japanese and Chinese!" then scoff at the idea of taking ownership over their jobs and workplaces. Bewildering shit. Props to China for simply buying out the means of production :deng-cowboy: American capitalists had no choice, they had a fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder value :deng-smile:

      • BeamBrain [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        "I'm fine with being exploited but it better be by a red-blooded MURICAN damnit"

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      But then they did the deflation which fucked them up cuz murika told them to, right?

      • scraeming [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The Plaza Accord? Yeah, the US depreciated the value of its own currency against a handful of its allies to inflate the value of assets outside the US to combat a growing trade deficit. Funnily enough, our allies asked us to do it first, and it took a few years before the US had any interest. It wasn't until Reagan's second term, with a trade deficit ballooning out of control from a constant appreciation of the USD, that the US finally agreed to intervene in financial markets. We basically agreed to devalue our own currency to adjust our trade deficit, which had the effect of causing the Japanese, French, and German economies to skyrocket in asset value as the exchange rate of their respective currencies plummeted.

        Basically in the 80s America was still a manufacturing powerhouse and we really, really needed our currency to not be worth so much, so that people would still buy our stuff. Then NAFTA came along less than a decade later and shipped all the manufacturing jobs overseas anyway. Whoopsie-daisy, neoliberalism couldn't see three inches in front of its own nose, again. Damn, wonder why that keeps happening?

      • bayezid [any]
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        3 years ago

        Lack of imagination on both sides I think.

  • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Japan reached a point where they were producing cars and electronics of superior quality than domestic US manufacturers and it made US Americans bug out about losing their grip on world domination, much like they are today with China.

    At the time Giovanni Arrighi was writing "The Long Twentieth Century," (published in '95) he predicted Japan would replace the United States position as global hegemon.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Man, being a Japan colony instead of a IMF colony would have been cooler

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Weird how Japan's economy hit a massive roadbump in the early '00s and has been stagnant ever since. I sure hope they didn't take some bad advice from US economists, only to implode their domestic manufacturing market in a fit of financialization as a result.

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Still love that Rising Sun is a movie where Sean Connery plays a "Expert on Japanese Culture" to help Wesley Snipes solve a murder

    Because you know, they're just so inscrutable and mysterious, you'll never know why a Japanese person would murder someone

    • CIYe [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Something something honor something something bushido something something Pride FC

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Sean Connery plays a “Expert on Japanese Culture”

      He did master the art of becoming Japanese in You Only Live Twice.

    • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
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      3 years ago

      Sounds similar to Showdown In Little Tokyo, where Dolph Lundgren is part of a special Asian crime division.

      Highlights include a man snapping his own neck in an interrogation to keep a secret, and this hilarious gem https://youtu.be/apAC1HJhu3M

      How no one pissed themselves laughing in that scene I have no idea.

  • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    1987 Same narrative

    they didn't try "not to be murka's dog", they simply became too successful. That's why the US did the Plaza Accords, and Japan being a functional US colony with a gajillion military bases on it which could vaporize the island in a week, agreed to it.

    It never began for Japan

  • blashork [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I haven't sen anyone in the thread mention, if you want another good look at american's fear of 80's Japan and their economic boom look at the shadowrun lore. The worl is explicitly one where Japan has risen above america and have a majority of the megacorporations in the world. It's real interesting to look at.

  • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Not even a copy of The Dragon's Gift on the right side? That's honestly the superlib version of the clash of cultures crap from the right on China.