Sup bud - Are there any specific fields you're looking to work in? CS covers such a wide spectrum of disciplines.
I'm a Canadian so I can't offer too much insight on location specific gigs, but it seems extremely common for tech companies all across North America to broadly disregard location; whether because of the new shift to work-from-home or simply having candidates relocate for the gig, where you're applying from location-wise doesn't really matter (imo)
Personally I've also seen that it's easier to get hired in places that in theory have less of a tech industry - Maybe the gold rush is over now but it seems like everyone was scrambling to relocate to work in California the past 10 years, while places like Indiana might have less overall jobs but more demand (Could totally be wrong on this, but I've seen similar location analogs in Canada)
So yeah imo ultimately it comes down to weather and vibe. School is school and it's not as if two CS courses in a similar tier of university will be crazy different (Tho again, not American, could be way wrong)
where you’re applying from location-wise doesn’t really matter
Yeah that seems to be the general sentiment I've observed as well but since I'm not there I had no idea what's closer to reality. Would you say it doesn't matter even if one is freshly graduated?
Do you mean in the sense that it's harder to find a job if you're freshly graduated or will the location matter if you're freshly graduated? Either way I think it doesn't change too much
Personally I don't have any education beyond high school, I'm just a nerd who gradually learned on my own and found a role - I've been doing dev work for almost a decade now.
I think the one big edge from a formal education would be the potential of placements / co-ops, and also making friends ("""networking"""); Some guy you smoked weed with in your dorm might be a hiring manager / senior dev at a company you want to work at in 5 or 10 years.
Recent CS grads I've worked with are always really cute when they're fresh out of school because generally they have a fuckton of theoretical knowledge and arcane programming knowledge but naturally little work experience! So a way to stand out from the pack would be to work on some cool independent projects if you find that fun, maybe find some summer jobs / internships
edit: Also just do other things that aren't coding and be a complete person. So many CS students I've worked with are basically devoid of personality and are just coding robots. Being a chill person to work with and someone your team can joke with is way more important than being some kind of 10xer rockstar machine learning blockchain buzzword ninja 1337 hacker. Have fun in school cause im sort of jealous of people who had that experience in a weird way
Do you mean in the sense that it’s harder to find a job if you’re freshly graduated or will the location matter if you’re freshly graduated?
The latter.
And yeah, the potential “”“networking”“” is one of the factors I'm considering but idk how much weight it holds in the job search especially as a CS grad.
So a way to stand out from the pack would be to work on some cool independent projects if you find that fun, maybe find some summer jobs / internships.
I've been itching to start some projects but couldn't due to the university applications process taking my time. About the summer jobs/internships wouldn't it theoretically be easier to find them in CA as compared to IND or has that also gone location independent?
Being a chill person to work with and someone your team can joke with is way more important than being some kind of 10xer rockstar machine learning blockchain buzzword ninja 1337 hacker
Completely agree. I have other interests other than simply being a code monkey but this pays well and me being decently competent at it makes it difficult to pass it up. Still, I feel those other interests add so much more value to my life.
And yeah, the potential “”“networking”“” is one of the factors I’m considering but idk how much weight it holds in the job search especially as a CS grad.
So literally every dev job I've ever had outside of my first role has been because I knew someone at the company and they were like "Hey, we're hiring X role, you should apply". A little light nepotism / insider knowledge as a treat
About the summer jobs/internships wouldn’t it theoretically be easier to find them in CA as compared to IND or has that also gone location independent?
Again I'm not 100% the right person to ask, but remember that tech industries exist everywhere - Indianapolis has almost 1m people, there's going to be jobs, and you're spitting distance from a bunch of other relatively large cities. Plus even if you can't find a local internship it would probably be a fucking rad experience to go to the other side of the country for a bit - and yeah not to mention the growing number of remote gigs
Ofc CA naturally has a leg up if you're looking to do the whole "FAANG" thing, and a HUGE tech industry
I haven't experienced job hunting post (or maybe still mid) pandemic, also I only have a BS, but one thing I can tell you based on pre-pandemic job hunting, is that large corps are much more willing to fly you out to interview, while smaller companies are more likely to only interview people nearby who can travel onsite on their own and don't need to stay at a hotel
Hmmm well I'm not sure how much I can help, but nevertheless: I went to a small community college in the US for computer networking. Shortly after graduating I applied for a visa and left the country. So I'm not sure how great my advice will be lol. I have a pretty substantial list of open source projects and contributions to large projects which is what I list on job apps. My associates degree is at the bottom of my Resume/CV, if I list it at all. I pretty much only got the degree to apply for visas.
In the country where I live now remote jobs are fairly common. Maybe a bit more than the US, but I imagine it's similar. I applied to both remote listings and some non-remote (with the intention of saying I'm not willing to move and would want to work remote and sometimes they're fine with that). For the job I'm at now they did read far enough to notice I had a degree, but that's about it lol. Perhaps if I went to some large school they would've commented on it a bit. They were much more interested in things I'd actually worked on. I'm sure in your case this would be much more important. Honestly, I think this just varies drastically from place to place.
IMO if you go to CSUN you're pretty much guaranteed a job in "Big Tech" if you wanted one. I've heard the least horrible things about Github and they definitely let people work remote (although likely pressure you a bit into going to their offices). That said I'm sure a degree from Indiana would be very similarly valued and if you're okay at interviews (i.e. memorize stupid bullshit beforehand and get a bit lucky) it wont make much difference. For non-big tech companies it depends a lot more. Smaller places tend to be more willing to let you work remote and in general are less cult-like. For non-tech companies the degree and or specific school you went to tends to matter a bit more since they won't always have other engineers interviewing you, but those are both nice schools so I doubt the difference between these two matters much.
Personally, I would rather live just about anywhere other than LA so it'd be an easy pick for me haha
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I saw y'all in the other programmers thread and would like your input on the second point of my post.
Sup bud - Are there any specific fields you're looking to work in? CS covers such a wide spectrum of disciplines.
I'm a Canadian so I can't offer too much insight on location specific gigs, but it seems extremely common for tech companies all across North America to broadly disregard location; whether because of the new shift to work-from-home or simply having candidates relocate for the gig, where you're applying from location-wise doesn't really matter (imo)
Personally I've also seen that it's easier to get hired in places that in theory have less of a tech industry - Maybe the gold rush is over now but it seems like everyone was scrambling to relocate to work in California the past 10 years, while places like Indiana might have less overall jobs but more demand (Could totally be wrong on this, but I've seen similar location analogs in Canada)
So yeah imo ultimately it comes down to weather and vibe. School is school and it's not as if two CS courses in a similar tier of university will be crazy different (Tho again, not American, could be way wrong)
Hey comrade, I'm interested mostly in Web Dev.
Yeah that seems to be the general sentiment I've observed as well but since I'm not there I had no idea what's closer to reality. Would you say it doesn't matter even if one is freshly graduated?
Do you mean in the sense that it's harder to find a job if you're freshly graduated or will the location matter if you're freshly graduated? Either way I think it doesn't change too much
Personally I don't have any education beyond high school, I'm just a nerd who gradually learned on my own and found a role - I've been doing dev work for almost a decade now.
I think the one big edge from a formal education would be the potential of placements / co-ops, and also making friends ("""networking"""); Some guy you smoked weed with in your dorm might be a hiring manager / senior dev at a company you want to work at in 5 or 10 years.
Recent CS grads I've worked with are always really cute when they're fresh out of school because generally they have a fuckton of theoretical knowledge and arcane programming knowledge but naturally little work experience! So a way to stand out from the pack would be to work on some cool independent projects if you find that fun, maybe find some summer jobs / internships
edit: Also just do other things that aren't coding and be a complete person. So many CS students I've worked with are basically devoid of personality and are just coding robots. Being a chill person to work with and someone your team can joke with is way more important than being some kind of 10xer rockstar machine learning blockchain buzzword ninja 1337 hacker. Have fun in school cause im sort of jealous of people who had that experience in a weird way
The latter.
And yeah, the potential “”“networking”“” is one of the factors I'm considering but idk how much weight it holds in the job search especially as a CS grad.
I've been itching to start some projects but couldn't due to the university applications process taking my time. About the summer jobs/internships wouldn't it theoretically be easier to find them in CA as compared to IND or has that also gone location independent?
Completely agree. I have other interests other than simply being a code monkey but this pays well and me being decently competent at it makes it difficult to pass it up. Still, I feel those other interests add so much more value to my life.
So literally every dev job I've ever had outside of my first role has been because I knew someone at the company and they were like "Hey, we're hiring X role, you should apply". A little light nepotism / insider knowledge as a treat
Again I'm not 100% the right person to ask, but remember that tech industries exist everywhere - Indianapolis has almost 1m people, there's going to be jobs, and you're spitting distance from a bunch of other relatively large cities. Plus even if you can't find a local internship it would probably be a fucking rad experience to go to the other side of the country for a bit - and yeah not to mention the growing number of remote gigs
Ofc CA naturally has a leg up if you're looking to do the whole "FAANG" thing, and a HUGE tech industry
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I haven't experienced job hunting post (or maybe still mid) pandemic, also I only have a BS, but one thing I can tell you based on pre-pandemic job hunting, is that large corps are much more willing to fly you out to interview, while smaller companies are more likely to only interview people nearby who can travel onsite on their own and don't need to stay at a hotel
Hmmm well I'm not sure how much I can help, but nevertheless: I went to a small community college in the US for computer networking. Shortly after graduating I applied for a visa and left the country. So I'm not sure how great my advice will be lol. I have a pretty substantial list of open source projects and contributions to large projects which is what I list on job apps. My associates degree is at the bottom of my Resume/CV, if I list it at all. I pretty much only got the degree to apply for visas.
In the country where I live now remote jobs are fairly common. Maybe a bit more than the US, but I imagine it's similar. I applied to both remote listings and some non-remote (with the intention of saying I'm not willing to move and would want to work remote and sometimes they're fine with that). For the job I'm at now they did read far enough to notice I had a degree, but that's about it lol. Perhaps if I went to some large school they would've commented on it a bit. They were much more interested in things I'd actually worked on. I'm sure in your case this would be much more important. Honestly, I think this just varies drastically from place to place.
IMO if you go to CSUN you're pretty much guaranteed a job in "Big Tech" if you wanted one. I've heard the least horrible things about Github and they definitely let people work remote (although likely pressure you a bit into going to their offices). That said I'm sure a degree from Indiana would be very similarly valued and if you're okay at interviews (i.e. memorize stupid bullshit beforehand and get a bit lucky) it wont make much difference. For non-big tech companies it depends a lot more. Smaller places tend to be more willing to let you work remote and in general are less cult-like. For non-tech companies the degree and or specific school you went to tends to matter a bit more since they won't always have other engineers interviewing you, but those are both nice schools so I doubt the difference between these two matters much.
Personally, I would rather live just about anywhere other than LA so it'd be an easy pick for me haha