I know this is an impossible question, the future is chaos, but we can at least identify and discuss some key factors.

When I say "successful leftist revolution" I mean one that happens soon enough to prevent, or have non-negligible odds of preventing, the collapse of human civilization as we know it due to climate change.

In all likelihood I think we're fucked as far as climate change is concerned, but we should still try to improve our odds. There's no prize for correctly predicting that we're fucked.

  • duderium [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Opinion seems pretty divided here. I saw someone on this site a day or two ago saying they would vote for Trump because accelerationism. Not voting for Biden is cool but voting for Trump is completely insane.

    • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Anyone around here deciding to vote for Trump deserves to get bullied hard. It's actively supporting fascism and hurting fellow comrades.

      • Barack_Obama [he/him,he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah, he is literally about to start rounding up antifa/ BLM "terrorists." These are dangerous times.

          • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
            3·
            4 years ago

            Biden's not going to be rounding up leftists in all likelihood. Not in the manner of disappearing people that Trump is now.

            He won't show support or give people protesting anything, but there will be a difference in sending state actors to kidnap protesters like Trump/Barr are doing now.

      • Civility [none/use name]
        3·
        4 years ago

        Anyone around here deciding to vote for Biden deserves to get bullied hard. It’s actively supporting fascism and hurting fellow comrades.

        • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Nothing wrong with that. I'd never vote for Biden. I'll probably vote green to try and get them more federal money (that'll probably be taken away anyway but whatever) and there's some important local races that actually make a difference.

        • Liberalism [he/him,they/them]
          1·
          4 years ago

          Vote third party. That's a much better display of electoral power than not voting whatsoever because it shows that you care enough to vote but that the Democrats have to actually do meaningful things to get it.

          • KammeraadDouwe [he/him]
            ·
            4 years ago

            Nah, dems won't actually do meaningful things. They'll just scold you for voting third party.

            • Liberalism [he/him,they/them]
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              4 years ago

              Then you can laugh at them. Win-win.

              But seriously, no one is suggesting we can get concessions from the Democratic party out of the goodness of their hearts, or that getting concessions out of the Democrats is a goal in itself. Ultimately, the Democratic party should die or be transformed beyond recognition. In the meantime, however, the leaders of the DNC will do what they can to hold onto power. It's not naive to say they will be willing to make concessions to hold onto power if that's absolutely necessary. Voting third party is a good way to try to move toward that situation.

              It's not a huge contribution but it's also almost no effort to vote Green.

      • Phish [he/him, any]
        ·
        4 years ago

        So if Biden is more accelerationist because Obama led to Trump, do you think Biden will lead to something even worse than Trump? Like a straight up Q president maybe? I could see that...

        If Biden wins though, I'm not sure it will be better or worse for the left. They aren't going to let a soc Dem challenge them either way, but if Biden wins they won't have to worry about it for a while. I guess in that scenario a 2024 Dem primary isn't out of the question though so maybe I'm wrong.

        • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]M
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          4 years ago

          every action causes a reaction. And the conservative backlash to Obama has been this increase in White Supremacist and total dismantling of civil rights legislation, including the rights to vote by Black people. If Biden wins, whether the coalition is white and Black, or young and old. Prepare for the reactionary backlash to be full-blown calls for genocide of democrats.

          I think we are basically between a rock and a hard place. Neither candidate is ideal. But I can see Trump continuing to receive mounting and increase hostility from most of America and bringing a balkanization or yoke tightening so violent it leads to a backlash of resistance.

      • duderium [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Preaching to the choir. After our long entmoot we have decided that both Trump and Biden are bad and that pretty much whatever happens will be bad.