Why can't leftists in the West (yes including those who exclusively pander to Western audiences) talk about urban design and public transportation without turning into some very petty personal animosity against cars?

It honestly does have genuine Fascist undertone: this ceaseless drive to have this technocratically sound, ideal society build on the ruins of the people's living tradition. It's reminiscent of Hitler's Germania or some pipe dreams of Italian Futurists.

No materialism from these worthless grifters. These losers are completely unable to have any amount of solidarity with workers in critiquing the Actually Existing Living Tradition, such as the design of a satanic death cult where (black) kids are unable to walk to school without getting run over:

"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world. Every day, almost 3,700 people are killed globally in crashes involving cars, buses, motorcycles, bicycles, trucks, or pedestrians. More than half of those killed are pedestrians, motorcyclists, or cyclists."

I like this reply:

"The fascist undertone of "getting rid of all cars" is the deliberate obliteration of people's way of life in pursuit of a bullshit idealism as you said. Destroying cars is destroying people's basic motility & freedom of movement. Leftists & liberals both want 1984 to be real."

"motility" huh, where have I heard that word before? Oh yeah:

>Healthy sperm motility is defined as sperm with forward progressions of at least 25 micrometers per second. If a man has poor sperm mobility, it's called asthenospermia or asthenozoospermia. There are different types of sperm motility issues, including: slow or sluggish progressive motility.

a Marxist community that feels the need to cling to outdated idpol like nationalism? How shocking that they're impotent lol :amber:

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Will never stop reminding people that the infrared haz guy got banned from hexbear for saying that smoking weed makes you feminine. It's just so incredibly funny and hyperonline. Also perfectly illustrates his :brainworms:

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      He also clearly still views the website and makes new accounts to randomly say stuff that is just hilarious. The internet is like a scab for him and all he wants to do is pick pick pick.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        It's incredibly sad/funny watching his alts descend into full conspiracy :illuminati: brain before he abandons them or gets banned.

      • Steve2 [any]
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        2 years ago

        Haz saying "look CPUSA, I am rising, my movement is growing, I will take you over" but then just getting into 12 hours of online discourse a day is funny.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    the ruins of people's living tradition

    motherfucker car culture was literally paved into existence over people's living traditions.

    but getting rid of cars is not some reactionary drive to return to the past, it's recognizing that there are other methods of organizing society that are superior to the ones we presently use. that's why we want to redesign streets for bikes and public transit and a lot of green space, and not thoughtlessly replace asphalt with cobblestones.

  • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    This is just proof that these people are hopeless contrarians. Like holy shit you dumb fucks, no one is saying let's just go out and erase automobile drivers. Let's find a way to drastically reduce the need for automobiles while considering the needs of the people. We have the fucking resources to do this shit right now. Do these stupid fucks even care for the climate crisis? I hate to tell you, but if you think taking cars away from the common man is Malthusian (laughable as fuck considering how much of a burden cars are on poor people), wait until you see what's in store for the people that can't afford to survive climate upheaval.

    Stupid fucks

    • LeninsRage [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      They're just reactionaries and fascists pretending to be leftists because they think it's fertile ground for grifting.

    • Steve2 [any]
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      2 years ago

      :I-was-saying:

      When I played play.half.earth I banned cars. I do think there are way easier ways of accomplishing fewer vehicles that are also really positive, but at this late stage... yeah ban cars.

  • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    the ruins of people's living tradition

    White people have no culture, ruin away.

    Also :agony-immense: this is coming from the same person who proclaims himself an American patriot. I guess building on the ruins of people's living tradition is fine if you're building the Republic of Schoolshootingstan.

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah lmao, European "traditional culture" has already mostly been absorbed and destroyed by capitalism. The bleach demons that came to America? Culture? Outside of a few examples (creole, etc.) lol, lmao

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      My favourite about the culture thing was some American on :reddit-logo: saying that they have culture, and it is Marvel movies, pop music, capeshit and TV shows lmao.

      That's exactly what people mean when they say white Americans have no culture FFS, :reddit-logo: guy missed the point completely

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Thinking about that guy on Iranian TV who said it's impossible to hurt Americans through targeted assassinations because they have no heroes and who are you going to kill? Spongebob?

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        And most of what you are talking about is redux from the 90's which is redux from the 50's which was the last time America actually generated new forms of pop culture, and not just new ways of presenting, advertising, and packaging that culture.

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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          "Culture" in the mainstream just goes though 30-40 year cycles recycling everything from the past lol. The 2010s was the big revival of 80s and 90s stuff, now it's all big 90s style with aspects of the early 2000s creeping in.

          • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Definitely. Mom jeans are back in a big way, for instance. I googled "2020s fashion" and this is what came up.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Fascism is when trains and walkable cities, and the more trains and walkable the more fascist.

    Oh kno we're crushing people's living tradition of living in massively socially alienated and unsustainable suburbs and spending hours in a carbon spewing death machine just to perform basic necessary tasks!

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Someone tell that to congress, 'cause they have a big one up on the wall and their trains are still shit.

    • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Fascism is when trains and walkable cities, and the more trains and walkable the more fascist.

      To be fair :japan-cool: doesn't exactly help with this

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I assure you that Japan isn't a racist nationalist hell hole because of the trains.

    • Steve2 [any]
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      2 years ago

      Presumably, if they're lib or rad lib, society is already perfect. Therefore any perturbation would be a negative change. And for some class of libs that might actually be true, they wouldn't get as many treats, maybe have to do labor that contributes to society (instead of finance, consulting, advertising, etc).

      Now why the fuck Haz is against it when he claims to be a complete un-lib to the point of syncretizing chud "thought" with socialism, I couldn't tell you. Other than libs, progressives, environmentalists and socialists generally want fewer cars so we can avoid dumping GHG into the atmosphere and avoid imperialist metals mining - so therefore he must be in opposition to this. This is not marxist or good reasoning, just opposition for oppositions sake so that the chuds will like you (they never will, they hate you).

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Been watching folks from a leftcom channel i hang out in dunk on these idiots on Twitter the last two days, the PatSoc and Haz/Maupinite sycophants are the biggest dorks and dullards.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Ordinarily I agree with leftcoms on very little, but they have some hilarious dunks on reactionaries. Like the one time Bordiga was arrested by Nazis and was like "OK fellows, since we're going to be here a while, allow me to mathematically prove that you're going to lose this war".

  • jabrd [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    opportunists

    :bordiga-despair: Leftcommunism in my BMF? It's more common than you think

  • D61 [any]
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    2 years ago

    Me before this post title: :chomsky-yes-honey:

    Me after this post title :jazz-ecstacy: