So maybe that dual power needs to involve some dual infrastructure, yeah?
Start a mutual aid group who fronts as a tech support collective and gradually install mesh routers and nextcloud instances throughout your neighborhood to make it redundant in case of internet “outages”
I will simply turn the internet back on. What are they gonna do, stop me?
Unplugging and replugging the router while smugly wondering what the big deal is -- take that, deep state!
A mesh network would be able to, at best, be a local city network without long-distance antennas. Off switches are going to be placed on backbone lines.
This is also fantasizing about planning for a scenario that just isn't happening. The U.S
government couldn't even get people to stay inside for 2 weeks, they're not going to suddenly shut off the internet permanently.But yeah, seems really implausible to set up a national, let alone international network. Fiber pulls are expensive AF.
I remember talking to some people on here about how a populist revolt against the US govt would be over something stupid.
It would totally be over them shutting off the internet.
The U.S government couldn’t even get people to stay inside for 2 weeks
Uhh, they never wanted people to do that. The US government can get people to go along with all kinds of things. And it doesn't matter anyways because the scenario in which they'd do that is one where it doesn't matter how much people support it.
And they'd never want to shut down the internet for similar reasons. It's far too valuable for capital to shut down even in an emergency.
I think during the kind of unrest that necessitates shutting down mass telecommunications, generating revenue isn't really feasible.
Nobody's got their finger on the trigger, but it's clearly on their minds...
Ideally this project would also come alongside a focus on local-to-local communication over centralized social media too. But that’s also a whole other project
I think the issue would be the physical infrastructure for local-to-local communication. Fiber costs over $25,000 per mile to install (probably a ton more if you want some sort of a secretive system that doesn't get any permits), so the lower end of connecting Philly and NYC is like $200k.
It's a lot more technically doable but probably just as likely to happen irl...
me (holding a red flag and standing like captain morgan on top of a pile of corpses in the the smoldering ruins of the capitol city)
"turning the internet off as a joke was not okay"
The article this is from (about the Bush Administration updating the country's How-To Guide for National Martial Law) doss not mention the existence of an internet kill switch; only theorizing that the president would have legal authority to shut down the internet in an "emergency." It's likely that the capability for this has been seriously explored, but who knows if this is real and practical or if it's as successful as the F-35.
Besides that, why would the feds want to shut off internet access? The internet keeps a lot of people out of real-world trouble and is an excellent channel for propaganda. It's also (along with the services it facilitates) absolutely key to maintaining a facade of normalcy. And of course you can moderate away the most radical conversations as they pop up on major platforms, then go after people who tell on themselves individually.
Honestly, I’m a proponent in general of establishing local internet collectives so the specifics of this weren’t super important to me as I was posting this, but these are good points. I think any sort of kill switches would be localized and carried out by local PDs using military surplus equipment, as someone else in the thread pointed out
establishing local internet collectives
Have you read the insane shit that people post on "local internet collectives" like on nextdoor?
Nextdoor literally gamifies snitching and has no moderation. Preventing bigotry and exclusion amongst a reactionary populace is hard, but it’s something that union organizers deal with all the time. It’s not impossible.
Union organizers and stewards dealing with backwards coworkers to get them on the same page of fighting for their own benefit through collective barganing ≠ telling the dipshit in the next block over he should be thrown in a work camp for saying we should throw the 'Mexican' refugees in industrial ovens at the border.
Yeah I suppose living on the same street isn’t the same amount of interdependence as working together is
not administered locally nor collectively. literally a corporate platform advertised for use by the propertied middle class. if you have zero faith that your neighbors can ever be anything but reactionary, you either gotta move out of Langley, or you have no theory of radical change.
anyway have you read the insane shit that people post on the corporate internet? including nexdoor?
So what, destroy the modern-day opiate of the masses? That's going to go well...
Police in parts of the US already have equipment that can be used for triangulating all kinds of RF and access points if meshnets ever became a realistic alternative in this scenario.
Odds are the "emergency internet off valve" scenario would be short-lived... Until it isn't, but at that point meshnets are probably a lot less interesting, if you even have electricity.
All true, but on the other hand, ultra wide band tech might be able to evade jamming, if not detection. I’ve heard some promising things about using the opacity of the atmosphere to create a distributed optical network. When you’re just trying to coordinate forces and not, say, stream 4k bullshit, there’s a lot more possibilities.
Can I see where you got this? Googling this, I'm only seeing articles about theoretical powers, not saying they actually do have an internet kill switch.
